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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Scary. I recently did some research into what's behind the 'Jungle Builders' channels (two guys pretending to build flashy, but completely dysfunctional, pools somewhere in a forest with little more than their hands as tools). Seems to be a similar scheme, it doesn't invite viewers to recreate, but they leave a lot of litter and moscito-infested concrete pits behind. Most of them are actually in the same tiny forest…

Do you have some links to this? A few cursory quacks turned up nothing. My family loves those channels but it would be interesting to see how the structures hold up and how/if they are ever used.

Can I ask what you tried searching? Because "Jungle Builders' channels" pulled it up immediately.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Ann Reardon, the subject of this article, is a good scientist who's been debunking these 'food hack' videos for years. She eventually branched out into debunking other things like this. I've always been impressed with her tenacity in challenging this sort of thing while also managing to educate and entertain. It must be soul destroying trying to fight this endless tide of misinformation, which is constantly boosted b…

Glad to see this comment. I'm a huge Ann Reardon fan, and her original video that got her into this "debunking" theme is still great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6abePkXncCM Still, it's a little depressing that someone who made great, inspiring, detailed and actually feasible cooking/baking content found that they couldn't really pay the bills with that content, but instead it turned out that debunking all the BS…

I'm a huge fan as well. She does an amazing job, and seems to be one of the only people on YT who is actually pointing out all the BS a lot of these "crafts" and "baking" channels are.

And she communicates a lot with YT trying to get them to remove some of the more dangerous "hacks" and I believe has also been successful with certain attempts in the past.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Using a real oven for this is kind of a massive waste of energy. I got a smallish countertop convection oven and it's basically replaced nearly all uses I previously had for a small toaster oven and our proper mounted oven that takes 8 million years to preheat, along with a good chunk of microwave uses. The big one only gets used for really big stuff now, maybe once every few months at most.

Dunno man, mine takes less then 5 minutes to get to about 150°c. I never measured it but just activating it before I take a pizza from the freezer is enough time to get it fully preheated. It really depends on the quality of the oven i think. There isn't that much more Air to heat so the wasted energy is less then you'd intuitively expect. And regular sandwich irons take at least as much energy, because it's not an e…

Toaster ovens and toasters are at most 1800W appliances. Typical electric oven elements are in the 3000-3500W range. If you're broiling, toaster ovens are much more efficient.

Ovens I've used take roughly 15minutes to warm to 400F (200C), regardless of if they are electric or gas.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Hello, Mr. or Ms. Survivor Bias! I used to cut firewood with my father using a 3 foot buzz saw made over 100 years ago*, and had but only the most token of safety guards (ignore the giant power take-off belt that's just waiting to consume some of your loose clothing, and you with it), yet I still have all limbs, fingers, and toes! And yet I still think it asinine to shrug shoulders and say, "I dunno, nobody I know ev…

> If one cannot see the potential for harm in such scenarios This is a strawman. Nobody claimed that any activity was perfectly safe.

> > these things are accidents bound to happen > Dunno, I have used both since I was like 13 ... I don't remember any accidents.

Seems like their response is kind of implying an inaccurate level of safety, along the lines of "Well I didn't have issues, so..."

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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What better way to teach that than have them understand if they dont respect the way something is supposed to be used, they might break it? Could be fun to sit with them and take apart the toaster and assess it together and see if its worth cleaning or replacing and explaining why. But I wouldnt spend 2+ hours cleaning it by myself and then complaining about it

I’m not American so I will never understand the dusposable-everything mindset. I will happily spend hours repairing something that costs 15 minutes of my time to buy. Throwing away salvageable things is just wrong, it’s not an economic question for me.

there's a lot of relevant things i could get into on it. in short though, disposable items are cheaper and despite what a lot people think - most of us are broke.

after you adjust to dealing with disposable items a lot.. you kind of grow out of the feeling that every item is special and needs to be repaired to max extent and kept for as long as it can. It feels anthropomorphic / overly sentimental to do that. the moral argument gets the curtain pulled back and there's very little substantiating it. imo, at least. Curious if you can shed better light on your moral stance here tbh. im not die-hard on this subject and would happily update my views if convinced otherwise

I respect that you have a productive hobby interest in repairing items, and for the most part I share that. But I dont see anything wrong with throwing something away that could be salvageable. Once it stops working, it is just parts and material and I now become part of the demand for toasters. What's wrong with letting toaster specialists handle toaster demand? In the time it takes me to repair a toaster, the specialists can produce 100 of them. and thanks to people like me buying from them rather than doing it myself, they remain productive members of society and get to feed themselves. And I get a couple hours back to do something else to potentially improve society or my personal life.

All that said, I do think there is a lot more we can do with waste management to better deal with disposed parts and materials, though. A lot of how we handle disposed goods is definitely wrong. we mix materials with food waste and it makes everything gross and expensive to work with. food waste really should be a hard split from everything else but maybe one day

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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> you're safe from legal repecussions. Not necessarily: no way to tell whether it's sufficient until it actually goes before a court.

I was being sarcastic with that, should have written it as: you're "safe" from legal repercussions.

Fair enough :)

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Here's a better idea: hold the publisher responsible for what they publish. Don't force the public to dive down rabbit-holes trying to figure out who uploaded the dodgy content, find out what jurisdiction they're in, and try to find an advocate in that jurisdiction to hold the uploader to account.

Sure, the publisher can also be responsible but YouTube is not a publisher. They are like electrical company that provides you with cables and electricity. Youtube removing videos is like the electric company cutting of your electricity when they believe there's something harmful on the TV. There are plenty of publishers on youtube and as they do curate their content, they should definitely be responsible. They are a…

> They are like electrical company that provides you with cables and electricity.

Well, except that they don't provide anything similar to cables or electricity; what they distribute is content. How's that not a publisher?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Salad is pretty dangerous and I don't see anyone putting disclaimers on cooking shows.

Contact with live microwave oven transform secondaries has about a 70% fatality rate, if we believe bigclivedotcom. Eating salad has about an 0.001% fatality rate.

Actually I think I have overestimated the salad fatality rate here by orders of magnitude. If one out of every hundred thousand salads killed the eater then many, if not most, people who eat salad regularly would die of food poisoning or choking on salads rather than (as they in fact do) of heart disease, cancer, and infections.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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So drop it off at a salvage location. OP was complaining about salvaging it, like it was necessary. If you want to do is as a fun personal project, go for it, but it is wasteful of human time to salvage something that cheap rather than add it to a scrap pile for a professional salvage company to process in bulk. As a bonus, the kid learns that if you arent careful with your items they may break and be gone. you dont…

It's also wasteful of energy and materials to scrap and replace something that's still perfectly functional.

except it isnt functional. it is covered in burnt cheese that will take hours to fix. it's a huge waste of time to clean off burnt cheese from such a tiny piece of material.

collect a bunch of similar materials from the dump and bulk clean them all into workable materials again with a pressure washer in the same amount of time.

Work an extra 2 hours, use the money to buy a new toaster, and spend the rest on food for the homeless.

the moral argument is bullshit. it's a waste of your time, and the only reason you dont think so is because you get personal enjoyment out of fixing things (i do too)

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

Paying actual people to moderate a platform as large as YouTube is not reasonable.

I would love to know how many hours of video get appealed each day. I'd be willing to bet there isn't even close to enough money to pay people to make decisions on all of that.
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