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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Last time I have checked Apple's appstore rules, if you don't take payments within an app and you DON'T tell users of an app to pay outside of it, you are clea from their tax.

So, for example, if you ask for their email and then email them to pay via their website, they won't bother you.

Has this policy changed? Or does Fanhouse ask for payments from within an app?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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"notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web." There are a lot of anti-Apple arguments a passionate critic might leverage, but claiming that Safari is "notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web" is just foolish. It is laughable nonsense.

Has Apple added support for web apps yet? They were around for years now, that would be a prerequisite for switching to web.

Apple added support for iPhone web apps in 2007, including native-style widgets and touch navigation support in mobile Safari. This was enough to support many early games and apps, and Apple even had a curated directory for them.

At the time, developers complained bitterly that Apple didn't provide a native SDK, nor did they support Flash or Java web apps.

In 2021, mobile Safari is good enough to run Amazon Luna game streaming, so you can actually stream fairly demanding games like Far Cry 6 to an iPhone. However, Safari (and, to a lesser extent, Firefox) is far behind in terms of feature parity with Chrome for implementing Google's vision of Progressive Web Apps. In particular, Apple has announced that they don't intend to support a number of web APIs (Bluetooth, NFC, etc.) for privacy and security (and presumably business) reasons.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Web notifications don’t work on iOS and I’m assuming Android as well? Serviceworkers aren’t woken up in response to a background push if your phone is lock and not on that webpage.

Web notifications work fine on Android. Has Apple still not fixed notifications then? I was under the impression that they claimed to have massively improve Safari during last year's conference?

AFAIK web notifications do not exist on iOS.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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The market. Microsoft and Sony have been doing it for years. So has Epic’s parent company

I think you misread the question. They didn't ask what this is, they asked what would qualify as collusion and racketeering if this doesn't.

Correct... let me know what is if this isn't because companies colluding to set prices? not sure what I'm missing if this isn't it...

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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> She knew the rules when she started playing this game Knowing the situation is not the same as accepting it. Just because I know a couple of large actors control the market does not mean I have to accept the situation.

It does mean you shouldn't bet your business on winning that fight

Per definition the existence of the business depends on entering the fight.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Saying "That's just how it is" is basically admitting admitting it's wrong but refusing to support fixing it. I get where you're coming from. I think Fanhouse is a bad example case. I won't die on this hill. But if that's the best reason for something, we are admitting there is no good reason for it.

The thing is, we can argue ad infinitum as to what an acceptable commission should be. There’s no “correct” value. No matter what it is, someone will always complain that it’s too high. (Case in point: brick-and-mortar merchants who complain about 3-5% merchant fees for accepting credit cards.) But the fact that it’s been this way for over 10 years and the app ecosystem has been very healthy is a pretty good existenc…

Is the app ecosystem very healthy or could it be healthier? Why does the rate from 10 years ago make sense today?

In a free market, the rates would be set by market forces and we generally think those are right. But Apple set 30% and has never even reviewed it as far as we know.

I won't pretend there is a sure fire way of defining exactly the correct rate. There isn't. But that doesn't mean letting Apple set it is correct either. This is why we have utility boards: someone who isn't bias should set rates to make them fair and efficient and make sure the system is working as well as possible.

Your electricity price needs to be low enough you're not being fleeced, but high enough to allow investment in improved infrastructure. If you set the price it might be too low, if the local monopoly set the price it would be too high.

The app store is no different. Someone disinterested should be setting a price that maximises benefit for consumers.

That price might actually be higher? I don't know. I'm just saying that Apple shouldn't be permitted to set it alone and that "30%" was never carved I to stone by god as the right number. If anything, the fact it has stayed at 30% proves its wrong. What other price has remained exactly the same for over a decade?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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It would be interesting to hear how she wants to make money on Apple platform by not following the rules and not paying fees for access to Apple user base. It seems zoomers live in alternative version of Universe where everyone is owing them something.

She, the fanhouse app owner, only takes 10% from the content creators

It doesn’t really matter. Apple takes 30% since rules are for all. You can do your business on Android in 3rd party store or without store and don’t pay any fees. But Android users are poor by statistics and no one is using sideloading or 3rd part stores in US. That’s why she hates Apple - they built successful and platform by investing billions and now someone wants to exploit it for free.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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I think you've misread my comments. I didn't predict anything. I asked if it had been found to be illegal. It hasn't. So I don't know how you're describing it as 'illegal'. Apple clearly believe it's legal, and no authority has given an opinion otherwise yet. > And your position, is that you think ... that no judge will rule against them Sorry I'm afraid you've misread again - I didn't say this anywhere. Where do you…

> I think you've misread my comments. No, I really didn't. If you agreed with me that Apple's actions are illegally anti-competitive, then you wouldn't ask why/how/when their actions are illegal. So yes, by asking me why/how/when their actions are illegal, you are disagreeing with me. Thats what it means to ask that. We'll see if you were right or not, to question why/how/when their actions are illegal. > So I don't…

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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Maybe, but that defacto bans anyone acting as a middle man doesn't it?

I’m not sure the world wants or needs an App Store full of arbitrageurs. It wouldn’t be a very good experience for customers and it would lead even more questionable businesses to leverage it.

Careful, writing off "arbitrageurs" means you can't have Spotify or Amazon or eBay apps. Those seem like things people do want...

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Because the user decided to buy into a closed platform. He could have chosen an open Android platform. My parents chose iOS over Android for the security, ease of use, unification AND the App Store. I’d say stop forcing your agenda on the users. They have the right to choose what they want. They voted with their money and do it each year.

None of that is lost with the ability to have alternative app stores. Creating more choice is the the opposite of forcing anything on users.

It increases the attack vectors for the platform
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