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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by fit2rule »

dang wrote: post #236
tw04 wrote: post #148

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I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

Counteracting abuse of this site is the #1 thing we do behind the scenes to try to prevent the value of HN from eroding. That's actually what I spent the first hour of my morning doing, before I realized that there was $BigDrama happening. (Thank you, bat-signaling emailers.) If you ever see me commenting on how "large HN threads are paged for performance reasons, so click the More link at the bottom, and we'll event…

When will it be safe to use HN to leak data about war crimes?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jeroenhd »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #8

Hmmm, DuckDuckGo image search shows some people standing next to tanks but not the tank man photo. I guess it makes sense since DDG uses bing for their search tech but it's pretty disappointing that you can get uncensored searches or privacy but not both.

Right now, an image search for "tank man" returns the tank man photo a whole bunch of times, but only because news articles about Microsoft banning the term use the photo in their headers.

The problem still hasn't been resolved and it probably won't be any time soon. The CCP influence on Microsoft is clear; they cannot be trusted to run a search engine anymore than Baidu can.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jeroenhd »

ggggtez wrote: post #138

I don't speak chinese, but "50 cent party" refers to paid online chinese trolls. I think it is written as 50美分派对 [1] 50美分派对 also finds no results on Bing, but plenty of results on Google. So it's not just tank man. The word filter is active for all search terms that are blocked in china. 50美分的军队 I think is another way of writing it: it shows only 3 images on bing, which all look like ads for Coca Cola. [1] https://en…

Searching for 50美分派对 on DDG and Ecosia also doesn't return any image results, but Google has plenty of images from articles using the phrase.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by phreeza »

canada_dry wrote: post #455
ddlatham wrote: post #252

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Looks like it has now been updated and returns images of various tanks and male athletes, but still no images of what seems most relevant to the phrase - the iconic Tiananmen Square photograph that goes by that name.

Wow. Yup, the results are being tweaked as we speak, which in-and-of-itself its pretty interesting actually i.e. that the BING keepers manipulate specific results on-the-fly. I'm not sure that's reassuring/comforting!

What do you mean my manipulate? That implies there is some kind of "natural" order that is being deviated from, which there isn't. It's all defined by the "bing keepers".

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jeroenhd »

Sebb767 wrote: post #425
regnull wrote: post #406

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That's a perfectly good explanation, apart from the fact that an American company does censorship for Chinese government. If it's "inside China" doesn't make it better.

Well, an American company not doing censorship for inside China will not stay inside China very long. I personally dislike this a lot, as well, but I can't blame a company for not taking a fall on what is arguably a political decision.

Financially, complying with these censorship laws make sense.

Ethically, an American company should not be doing business if it involves censorship like this. Right now, things like LGBT+ rights are (sadly, in my opinion) still political decisions, as are decisions surrounding the ever-violent conflicts in the Middle East. Microsoft seems to err on the side of progressiveness in most of these political statements, proudly proclaiming "pride" on their Twitter page, presumably because it makes financial sense more than anything. Microsoft has no problem with politics if it serves to make them money.

The sad state of affairs is that money is more important than ethics for most companies. Microsoft made a political decision and that decision was that it's okay to censor recent history of violence against unarmed protestors.

I don't see how you cannot blame them for that decision unless you've fallen victim to Chinese propaganda.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jeroenhd »

midoBB wrote: post #516
regnull wrote: post #424

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Or maybe not censure it at all? Maybe say "Thanks, but no thanks" to the CCP?

Then they would have to exit that market and I don't know about you but if I'm a shareholder in MSFT, losing on the 3rd biggest market in the world with massive growth potential doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

This is the crux of the problem, the desire for personal wealth overcoming the ethical qualms that come with supporting dictators.

I dare say that no ethical shareholder will fault Microsoft for making the decision to fight Chinse censorship. I also dare say that there are probably very few ethical shareholders in this world.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by OJFord »

I get it as a video still if I add 'tianenmen'; but that's not necessary with DDG (my usual search engine) which I thought relied on Bing.

Also, Bing returns so few images for any query? Seems weird in itself, but also makes it more probably/reasonable not to get a specific image you'd expect for a query if there's only a handful shown..

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ezconnect »

dwighttk wrote: post #530
jbay808 wrote: post #468

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That's really not true. Taiwan, for example, has widespread pro-Japanese sentiment. Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Vietnam also have warm relations with Japan. On the other hand, Mainland China and both North and South Korea continue to have a dominant anti-Japanese sentiment. A cynical observer might suggest that the ability of a nation's public to forgive past grievances correlates closely with how much…

What’s the benefit for South Korea?

They have territorial disputes unlike other Asian nations who only had WWII compensation dispute.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by gtyras2mrs »

kevincox wrote: post #370
ALittleLight wrote: post #349

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A Microsoft spokesperson told Motherboard in an email that "This is due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this." ------ There is no way this is due to an accidental human error. The lying on this point is infuriating.

Why not. A human was asked to fulfill a request to block the "tank man" search in China and forgot to add the country restriction. There is no way to know if it is true, but it is definitely possible. This is probably an interface that isn't used incredibly frequently and may not be as polished as one might hope.

> A human was asked to fulfill a request to block the "tank man" search in China and forgot to add the country restriction.

But why would someone be asked to block it today - if it's to be blocked in China, wouldn't it be blocked all through out the year?

Why specifically would they ask it to be blocked just now and not years ago? I can't know for sure, but it just feels like a rogue employee deciding to block "tank man" globally on the anniversary ...

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by detaro »

gtyras2mrs wrote: post #539
kevincox wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not. A human was asked to fulfill a request to block the "tank man" search in China and forgot to add the country restriction. There is no way to know if it is true, but it is definitely possible. This is probably an interface that isn't used incredibly frequently and may not be as polished as one might hope.

> A human was asked to fulfill a request to block the "tank man" search in China and forgot to add the country restriction. But why would someone be asked to block it today - if it's to be blocked in China, wouldn't it be blocked all through out the year? Why specifically would they ask it to be blocked just now and not years ago? I can't know for sure, but it just feels like a rogue employee deciding to block "tank…

Was it blocked today, or did someone notice and make noise about it today?
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