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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by hinkley »

dangerboysteve wrote: post #398
bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Large Public companies don't change overnight for risk of shareholder revolt. As a Microsoft skeptic, I'll give them the opportunity to change.

That’s fine, at first blush at least, as long as they stay out of my way.

But their MO is to buy up companies people like or love and run them into the ground, then replace them with a Me Too product that is just enough different that getting out is challenging. To the rest of us that’s indistinguishable from destroying the competition and reducing options.

And here they are buying a company people like, having recently killed off others.

This tiger has the same stripes. When it eats your remaining arm, try to remember people told you so.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by WorldMaker »

jhasse wrote: post #244
Totoradio wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can understand those concerns, but what can they do to convince you they have changed?

* Drop DirectX for Vulkan * Drop MSVC for Clang or GCC * Drop Edge for Firefox or Chromium because they love open-source, right?

Several key pieces of Edge are open source, such as Chakra Core, which is the JS engine (like Chromium's V8), and more are expected.

The argument IE6 was that the web grew too stagnant with a single dominant web renderer. If we all agree that the Web is a better place with multiple competing web renderers, why wish the death of the Edge renderer when it and Firefox are all that are standing in the way (and barely by latest metrics) of forks from the KHTML/WebKit/Blink family dominating?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by dschuetz »

sanbor wrote: post #422

This is a wake up call. Too many things are relying on Github right now. Microsoft was part of the PRISM program. If Microsoft shares SSL certs with NSA they could do MITM attacks. What if in some very specific cases you download dependencies from GitHub and they give you a different version with malicious code? It's the NSA. They could be smart enough to only deploy those attacks on production servers were nobody is…

Yes! The Internet is a giganto conspiracy theory! No, you're wrong, it's the CIA! They asked DARPA to develop ARPA net, remember?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by tomtimtall »

It’s understandable that a lot of people are mad at microsoft. It used to be the big bad wolf vs open source. Where the open source side would go on and on about how much more value it provided and how in then end Microsoft would fail horribly and GNU/Linux would rule. And at some point along the way Microsoft just jumped on the wagon, suddenly chanting the same pro open source slogans, fighting the sameness cause. But no blood was spilled, Linux didn’t destroy Windows and Microsoft never seemed to tank. It left a void in many people who are just not ready to accept that Microsoft judges only on their actions today is a huge supporter of open source software. The zeolots wanted to beat them, not convince them.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by jarym »

Just please don’t let the UX ‘experts’ inside Redmond butcher it like they did Skype. Keep them away! If they were any good at their jobs they wouldn’t be turning out so much crap and parading it as a great thing.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by bitmapbrother »

pjmlp wrote: post #89
bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Nokia is pretty much alive. As for what Elop did, in case you missed the news, he only did what the Nokia board themselves asked him to do, and even gave him a bonus for achieving it.

>As for what Elop did, in case you missed the news, he only did what the Nokia board themselves asked him to do

Did that include having secret negotiations with Steve Ballmer that the board was unaware of? For a true accounting of what really happened you can find it all in Operation Elop.

https://medium.com/@harrikiljander/operation-elop-6f2b043f52...

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by kibwen »

sanbor wrote: post #422

This is a wake up call. Too many things are relying on Github right now. Microsoft was part of the PRISM program. If Microsoft shares SSL certs with NSA they could do MITM attacks. What if in some very specific cases you download dependencies from GitHub and they give you a different version with malicious code? It's the NSA. They could be smart enough to only deploy those attacks on production servers were nobody is…

Why would Github be any harder for the NSA to coerce than Microsoft?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by phaed »

netsec_burn wrote: post #111

I still see Microsoft's predictable behavior in 2018. I have a friend who owns a Surface, and I was thinking it would be useful to put Linux on it (it was older ARM hardware). Well you can't, it's a Surface RT and Microsoft not only locks the bootloader but it also only runs Microsoft approved apps. That's their endgame whenever possible. Apparently people didn't like having fully locked down computers and they disco…

Don't let the naysayers distract you, go get em' Don Quixote.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by samtho »

jasonrhaas wrote: post #526

I get it, its the way this industry works. Build up a solid product, grow the user base, continue to lose money until you sell the business and cash out. I'm not against the company or the founders making money. This is America after all. What is disappointing to me and others in the open source community is that we have zero say over something that we helped build. This sale to Microsoft is just another reason why w…

> What is disappointing to me and others in the open source community is that we have zero say over something that we helped build.

Github was never a community project; it was never "ours" in that sense. Why should anyone except for the owners have a say?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by quickben »

octorian wrote: post #511
zeveb wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was never terribly fond of GitHub either. I disliked how they somehow became synonymous with open source, and I dislike how people have focused on GitHub rather than software freedom. I also wasn't a fan when they decided to step into politics. I think self-hosting is a better choice for almost any organisation. Remember, 'the cloud' just means 'someone else's computer.'

The problem with self-hosting is a lack of visibility. Like Sourceforge before them, you basically need to host your project there for anyone else to notice it. Of course you don't need to host it all there. Just mirror enough that it gets you the "visibility", while keeping everything else on your own servers. Then again, there's inertia. And inertia always wins.

The interesting bit is that is about to get tested out with GitHub. Yes, of course, Skype target audience was network locked and not that savvy, but, the open source community does seem a tad bit different breed.
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