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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Codeberg is a service, not software. If we applied this standard then Codeberg would already have been in violation of the 4 Freedoms because they forbid distribution of CSAM (I would hope). Forgejo is unaffected by this because it's the software not the service and is not subject to the service's terms of service. You're misunderstanding the scope of this policy change.

I tried to address this when I pointed out no SaaS meets the bar in absolute terms, and the FSF also addressed it with the word "adequately". The policy change means that some free software projects are no longer welcome on codeberg, specifically because those projects take a stronger stance towards protecting free software than codeberg. What am I misunderstanding? Why should I trust them as stewards of forgejo?

Forgejo was forked from gitea when the later introduced some controversial business strategies. Gitea was forked from Gogs because gogs did not accept outside contributions.

See a trend? Maybe you can be the next.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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I get your point but by your own reasoning here you can't ignore these things because you are also choosing to be principled in your own way here, right? Like you need to know, at the very least, what to avoid if you absolutely must steer clear of all the politics you hate right? Like if you don't even know and choose not to know, how will you have the early warning that the SaaS is gonna ban your hypothetical crypto…

One helpful way to think about is to what extent your principles are rooted in emotions or rigidity, or whether your principles are rooted more in realism and practicality. Put differently: are you making decisions based on principles that are crafted with the goal of CHANGING the world? Or are you making decisions based on principles that are crafted to NAVIGATE a dynamic, fuzzy, ever-changing world?

> Put differently: are you making decisions based on principles that are crafted with the goal of CHANGING the world? Or are you making decisions based on principles that are crafted to NAVIGATE a dynamic, fuzzy, ever-changing world?

Why would the latter be better than the former ?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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> It is an unenforceable rule Are you sure? It's pretty easy to find telltale signs of LLM usage, like the CLAUDE.md file, the '.cursor' directory, the 'vim'-sized codebase done in a week.

That's just vibes. Measuring how much data someone uses is concrete and empirical. They are implementing TOS rules that are based on judgement and require a judge. Very different when implemented practically, especially in terms of effort on the part of the org. Quotas are automated, evicting projects is highly manual.

> That's just vibes.

They are not. You can probably draft some query to get candidates based on those criteria. And so very quickly.

> Quotas are automated, evicting projects is highly manual.

The human world is very chaotic. Automation is not a panacea, which is highlighted by Big Tech abysmal support. Sometimes, you want humans to judge, because the optimal result is based on heuristics and not rules written in stone.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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They don’t pay tax, right? Correct me if I’m wrong. It’s definitely a different (and public) conversation when things are claimed done for the public benefit and thus exempt from tax. At least in the US tax-exempt status carries obligations.

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I've banned this account. You can't attack other users like that on HN.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Just host your own git server, it's an afternoon project. Use other forges as mirrors.

if you have ssh access to a server, setup is as easy as ssh user@host mkdir myproject git init --bare myproject Done. The remote URL is user@host:myproject (relative to user home dir) or user@host:/home/user/myproject (absolute path)

That works for private repositories, but public facing ones require a little more than that.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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"nice things" you mean upholding the harm of the status quo by not criticizing it

So youre proposing that everyone should always be criticizing every unjust thing in the world or else they're upholding the status quo? By that silly logic I guess codeberg is supporting the uyghur genocide because they don't mention it.

No, I mean that voicing opinions in specialist spaces is rarely seen as bothersome when they uphold the status quo, but the minute they don't they're "making it political"

Edit: casual sinophobia BTW

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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> People downvote this kind of take because you're striking at the heart of the enforcement problem That's not your problem.

What conversation are you trying to have? I don't even use Codeberg; I've spent years thinking about how the idea behind rules manifests when those rules are actually put in place and enforced. I think a lot about second and third order effects. That's my interest here: an org decided to put these particular rules in place, and based on my experience, I don't think it's going to age well. But I guess you're right, as…

No, I need to apologise, I kinda got confused in the threads. That is, I thought this was downstream from another comment I made on the topic, where my point was basically: you (not the literal you who is interested in this on a different level) know if you used LLM. So if you have to ask, the answer is probably no, and if you're genuinely unsure, you can ask them.

I did you wrong, and in general we shouldn't guess the motivations of others, but I'll still say that lot of the comments asking what is the exact meaning of that rule is, how it will get enforced precisely, strike me as seeking to undermine the validity of their decision rather than wanting to make sure they don't run afoul of it. Or even coming up with ideas to help them enforce that rule better. One even said maybe we should test if they actually can tell. I responded to you as if responding to that, and that was uncalled for.

Take the HN guidelines, for example. It's impossible to make them completely "clean cut" rules. But people know that if they genuinely think there's been a misunderstanding they want to clear up, they can contact HN. And with Codeberg it's probably like that, too. Not like Google, where the rules ideally should be 100% clear and mathematically accurate, because you just get nuked by algorithms with no recourse.

You might even say if people post on HN, they already understand what fuzzy rules are, by definition. They know language is fuzzy and that the letter of the law points at the spirit of the law. If someone doesn't want to understand that spirit, no amount of legalese detail will make them understand it. But of course that shouldn't be an argument to shut down discussion about it, either, and I didn't mean it like that.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Should have added a sarcasm tag.

You almost had me there for a second, but I picked up on it before the downvoters did. I think it's an unfortunate reality whenever you have a network which is popularized by a boycott of other services' actions or values. Those who care the most or are the most affected by the actions are the most likely to leave and be very vocal in the new space, so the new space becomes "theirs." Meanwhile, the original space(s)…

Mastodon loves to tout its technical decentralization but it's one of the most politically and culturally monolithic (and intolerant) spaces I've ever seen.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Just start up Vibeberg and forget about Codeberg entirely. It's obsolete, an ancient relic. Vibe ahead!

We've already forgotten about Codeberg since the announcement, done, vibed :)

And did you ask your AI to make Vibeberg? If not, why not?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Drawn CSAM doesn't violate anyone's freedoms.

I feel like that’s a personal topic with you and the idea that someone draws some content and somehow certifies “it’s ok” has plenty of obvious issues unrelated to the topic.

I'm pushing you to make your own beliefs as consistent as you demand from everyone else, and you're failing to.
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