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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

FOMO, US tech monoculture, complicit tech media hyping AI, actual religious AI believers, C-suites looking for short time gains, fear of investors‘ backlash, etc

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It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

Things have moved from "no one got fired for buying IBM" to "no one got fired for buying AI".

To: everyone but leadership got fired for buying AI

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OP to me sounds more authentic and seems to have inside information. After a quick search I found a publication actually mentioning about these tools: Ford previously told Business Insider that it had developed two bespoke AI-enhanced scanning tools that helped validate that cars were properly assembled before rolling off the lot. The tools, called AiTriz and MAIVs, both debuted in 2024. https://autos.yahoo.com/polic…

A fine-tuned classifier purpose fit for a specific task can easily outperform a SOTA LLM on more modest hardware and often makes a lot more sense.

Calculator is a great analogy for that kind of specialized models. Way better than humans (and other things) at a specific task. Can't replace humans with it.

LLMs are not calculators.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Most executives are complete imbeciles when it comes to the actual work their organizations do.

That sounds obvious, but here's the thing: that's what a tautologically good manager does. They delegate and hire subordinates to do a job. It is by design that the communication won't involve 100% of the work done You hire people to do a job, not to be a remote controlled puppet

Maybe it’s not a binary? Maybe managers should both be able to delegate AND occasionally put in the effort to learn how things are working on the ground? Otherwise after about 3 layers of hierarchy all of the signal is gone in a massive game of telephone, leaving high level executives completely clueless.

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The point about capitalism isn't really accurate. Communism had the same problem. It's more about greed and power, and a system that sustains it than about the ideology behind it, I think. However, their ideological opposites, anarchism and liberitarianism, offer false ways out, too, as humanity is simply not capable of sustaining that. I'm sounding a bit like a broken record, but the only political system with a pro…

The reason I’m saying capitalism is because the context is employment + the US. In the US employment is everything. It’s social status, it’s the roof over your head, it’s healthcare, it’s your identity. Similar issues exist in communism too. It doesn’t mean you can just go “but communism” to dismiss me when I raise an accurate and valid critique of the system Ford operates in.

It wasn't meant as a riposte or anything. I just didn't read "capitalism" as "the system" but more as "the root cause" and hence what has to be changed.

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"You can't use reflection if the classes aren't in the class loader" "I see why you would think that however this should work, let's test it." -Claude, burning my company's money.

> Claude, burning my company's money. And the planet... While I experience some schadenfreude when reading these comments from programmers, I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

> I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

AI companies are running out of money to subsidize those queries, and worse are needing to show a profit. All while they are having a harder time to raise more money as investment.

If nothing changes, things should become more rational soon.

... now... IMO, I place the odds of nothing changing very low...

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

#528

It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

"everyone! emergency! we need AI yesterday! we're going to do a company wide hackathon!"

"everyone! ship ship ship! make production ready versions of what was triaged from the hackathon! nnnowwwwww"

"everyone! wow 80% correct, prompt engineer it to be stricter.... and with a bigger model! wow 98% correct! this whole division is made redundant!"

"everyone! its not 98% accurate and even if it was, thats a huge set of errors given our volume!"

"everyone! our AI bills have skyrocketed! they're charging us differently because we're an enterprise! kill the AI, kill the AI"

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most executives are complete imbeciles when it comes to the actual work their organizations do.

That sounds obvious, but here's the thing: that's what a tautologically good manager does. They delegate and hire subordinates to do a job. It is by design that the communication won't involve 100% of the work done You hire people to do a job, not to be a remote controlled puppet

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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Amongst other things, AI won’t buy cars.

The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Cars are more and more becoming white goods appliances with the driving experience becoming less and less a priority. Even enthusiast cars now are about raw numbers and need electronics to reign them in to make useable for the average driver on the average road. The average user probably doesn’t even want to drive and have AI do it for them. Repairabi…

TBF, cars are the one device that the anti-ownership movement may have a point.
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