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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by esseph »

KronisLV wrote: post #414
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

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AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

I'd unironically like my workplace to cover AI spend for me. There's so, so much mechanically simple but time consuming refactoring that should be done but nobody ever does that because there's never enough free time. Or even various utility scripts and at least finding out of date docs (or writing very basic ones where none exist, though it'd be hard to get them not to feel like slop writing). Or figuring out what a…

There will always be more work to do, especially for someone else's company.

What's the rush? Friday will still come at the same speed, and it's unlikely you will receive an increase in pay to account for your increase in productivity.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

tgv wrote: post #455
Forgeties79 wrote: post #433

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If your manager is asking you why you aren’t hammering 500 nails a day with your company hammer under threat of replacement, you’re going stop worrying about the surfaces your driving nails in to and simply start swinging.

1. It is not comparable. Idk the environmental toll of 500 nails, but tokenmaxxing definitely has one. Especially when it doesn't have any provable and substantial benefit. 2. Your responsibility doesn't end because your manager says so. 3. It's not just about the employee who actually burns the tokens, but also about the rest of it: the idiocy up to the top, and the irresponsibility of the companies offering the ser…

I don’t disagree. The point is capitalism operates entirely on incentive to keep our jobs or die on the streets. If they say “use all the nails or you lose your job,” people aren’t going to care about the waste or broader costs. Nails, AI, choose your example. It’s the same result unfortunately.

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Post by tgv »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #492
tgv wrote: post #455

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1. It is not comparable. Idk the environmental toll of 500 nails, but tokenmaxxing definitely has one. Especially when it doesn't have any provable and substantial benefit. 2. Your responsibility doesn't end because your manager says so. 3. It's not just about the employee who actually burns the tokens, but also about the rest of it: the idiocy up to the top, and the irresponsibility of the companies offering the ser…

I don’t disagree. The point is capitalism operates entirely on incentive to keep our jobs or die on the streets. If they say “use all the nails or you lose your job,” people aren’t going to care about the waste or broader costs. Nails, AI, choose your example. It’s the same result unfortunately.

The point about capitalism isn't really accurate. Communism had the same problem. It's more about greed and power, and a system that sustains it than about the ideology behind it, I think. However, their ideological opposites, anarchism and liberitarianism, offer false ways out, too, as humanity is simply not capable of sustaining that.

I'm sounding a bit like a broken record, but the only political system with a proven track record in modern society is still social democracy: educate the people so they don't bash each other's heads in, distribute wealth and power better, and regulate the markets. It unfortunately died through the unholy matrimony of material well-being and social media.

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Post by peter_retief »

murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

who would have thought :)

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Post by lordkrandel »

fragmede wrote: post #489
lordkrandel wrote: post #461

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If it works. Where is this 100x software output? I just see more AI tools to check it does not derail, but where is the actual software revolution, where all developers are fired? I'm still closing AI PR slop here

I'm not going to speak to the output side of your comment, but yes, developers are being fired over AI. > The latest layoffs across all tech companies. So far in 2026, there have been 421 layoffs at tech companies with 157,807 people impacted (882 people per day). In 2025, there were 783 layoffs at tech companies w/ 245,953 people impacted (674 people per day). https://www.trueup.io/layoffs

The fact that rich CEOs firing saying "it's because of AI" doesn't make it true. It's just marketing for investors

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Post by ethbr1 »

mikae1 wrote: post #452
lostglass wrote: post #416

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"You can't use reflection if the classes aren't in the class loader" "I see why you would think that however this should work, let's test it." -Claude, burning my company's money.

> Claude, burning my company's money. And the planet... While I experience some schadenfreude when reading these comments from programmers, I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

> I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

When AI use starts to be a line item cost on public companies' financial reports + Anthropic and OpenAI have IPOed and have to file financials too + they kill their growth-hack monthly all-you-can-eat plans.

The entire house of cards falls down when the success metric shifts from "Are you using AI?" to "What return value are you getting for the money you're spending on AI?"

Some smart companies / departments are going to be able to demonstrate stellar AI ROI, but I'm going to be shocked if the bulk of current demand isn't revealed to be naked. Mostly because middle management is always stupid about adopting and using new technology.

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Post by beng-nl »

MaKey wrote: post #483
kitd wrote: post #459

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I think this may be a US thing. Fords built in Europe are pretty decent. Reliable (compared with most other makes), cheap parts and ubiquitous servicing. I've bought Fords (in the UK) for about the last 20 years and have in the main been very satisfied.

Putting timing belts in oil was quite a bad idea from them though.

Ouch, did not expect to get triggered by this on HN

- Peugeot 2008 owner but not much longer

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Post by kitd »

MaKey wrote: post #483
kitd wrote: post #459

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I think this may be a US thing. Fords built in Europe are pretty decent. Reliable (compared with most other makes), cheap parts and ubiquitous servicing. I've bought Fords (in the UK) for about the last 20 years and have in the main been very satisfied.

Putting timing belts in oil was quite a bad idea from them though.

That's fair. Got stung by that a couple of years ago. Fortunately there are plenty of models without that.

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Post by moneytide1 »

murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

> Speed should only come as a side-effect of quality.

"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast."

- US Navy SEALs

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

horizion2025 wrote: post #484
Incipient wrote: post #393

I have spent a SOLID 3 full days 8h/day (plus long running tasks overnight) thrashing out a random idea for a Web application using purely Opus (mostly Max, sometimes ultracode version). I'm not a project manager, but I genuinely tried a full 3-tier spec out - design->specs->build details. While it was significantly better than previous attempts, it still misses very basic things - sporadically. Eg. A clear design re…

Hard to say exactly what went wrong from outside, but a frontier model not being able to implement a simple CRUD feature after 3x8 = 24 hours of work isn't "it can't do this". Let me hazard a guess from what you wrote. The 3-tier spec (design → specs → build details) may be the cause rather than the cure. A big upfront spec has two failure modes the model can't help you with: it can quietly contain contradictions, an…

> And "A clear design requirement was essentially adding clients" is very imprecise

That's not a sentence they literally gave the agent. This is their full quote.

> A clear design requirement was essentially adding clients, explained clearly and comprehensively.

Why are you assuming they described this so ambiguously?

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