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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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I mean, the argument is that ICE detainees are not citizens and thus don't get the protection, similar to foreigners engaging with CBP at the border

Have you looked at which sections of the constitution say "citizen" and which say "person"?

I didn't say I agreed with the argument, but it does seem to be interpretable like the Bible.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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>If you believe that what happened to George Floyd was bad, you would also believe that what happened to Nowak was bad except Nowak has never done a crime such as robbing a pregnant women with a knife or overdosed on drugs leading to his death.

Except George Floyd was the last case in a long list of police brutality against black people. How many cases like Nowak‘s where before his? Seems like right wingers have a really short temper if they aren’t ok with the victims skin color. Reminds me of anti vaxxers who cry murder if they can remotely link a death to a vaccine side effect but happily ignore thousands of death from COVID.

>Except George Floyd was the last case in a long list of police brutality against black people.

You mean the long list which gets very short once you actually watch the bodycam footage instead of msm headlines?

>How many cases like Nowak‘s where before his?

They literally have tried there best to hide this case. Have you ever considered that the reason you have not heard of other cases is the opposite reason you claim there is a (disproportionately) long list of police brutality against black? Not to mention that statistically speaking, if a group of people commit more crimes, they are also more likely to be involved with police increasing the chance of any brutality.

>Seems like right wingers have a really short temper if they aren’t ok with the victims skin color.

I don't see how claimed political affiliation is relevant here outside of attempting ad hominem.

>Reminds me of anti vaxxers

Reminds me of whataboutism and deflection. You forgot to call me a nazi, im sure that will change reality and do the heavy lifting in an argument.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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How will they stop them?

File a lawsuit, and if that fails go to the media. Or do both at the same time. As bad as things are, we don’t live in 1984 or Soviet Russia yet, and this works for citizens. Maybe there’s one or two cases where this hasn’t worked, but that would be an extreme outlier. The courts still strongly support habeas corpus for citizens.

Did that work for all the other people currently in a concentration camp right now?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#524

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China has a whole other level of control going on. You’re free to use any mobile OS you want because they’re able to monitoring every internet connection, see what you’re downloading and block any and all content they deem unsuitable with no recourse. They can also arrest you and move you to a labor camp with little recourse. I’m not defending the UK police’s actions here but “it’s just as bad as China!” is a refrain…

/s yup, me and my whole family using VPNs on there phones were arrested and placed in labor camp, I'm writing this now from camp, sending it to gateway on pigeon... but seriously, these people fear mongering arbor China are completely clueless, China absolutely doesn't care about you unless you go against gov, nobody checked our phones at border, nobody bothered us, at the Beijing province border checks they noticed…

The way Chinese and US treat foreigners are at two extremes. Simply from your example,

> didn't register our accommodation which is mandatory

>> Foreigner: just let us go on our trip anyway

>> Citizen: sent to detention and beaten to death [0]. Reverse ICE?

Police is friendly and laid back for foreigners, in China there are even foreigners advertising to call the police for you if you lost something, simply because police will be more responsible if a foreigner is involved. And they are also more flexible like your experience shows, which does not apply to citizens.

There are more examples, like gfw, for foreigner there are even volunteers at major airports helping you install VPN, while for citizens you can get fined or warned with an official record in your dossier.

Or like COVID you mentioned, during the lock-down period foreigners have prioritized access to foods and necessities. One extreme case I remember is a wealthy couple in Shanghai ran out of those things. And how did they get through? They happened to hire a Philippine nanny at the time, and that gives them priority, despite not officially registered like you. Imagine your gov prioritize your servant over you.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Zhigang_incident

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#525

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File a lawsuit, and if that fails go to the media. Or do both at the same time. As bad as things are, we don’t live in 1984 or Soviet Russia yet, and this works for citizens. Maybe there’s one or two cases where this hasn’t worked, but that would be an extreme outlier. The courts still strongly support habeas corpus for citizens.

Did that work for all the other people currently in a concentration camp right now?

How many are citizens? I specifically mentioned the process for citizens. IDK what recourse non-citizens have.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#526

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How will they stop them?

File a lawsuit, and if that fails go to the media. Or do both at the same time. As bad as things are, we don’t live in 1984 or Soviet Russia yet, and this works for citizens. Maybe there’s one or two cases where this hasn’t worked, but that would be an extreme outlier. The courts still strongly support habeas corpus for citizens.

Only 47% of adults in the US have the liquidity to cover an unforeseen expense of USD 1000 according to a 2026 Bankrate survey.

https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/emergency-savings-r...

The quote:

"At a time of sticky inflation and a softening job market, extra money in the bank can serve as a lifeline for many consumers. Yet just 47% of Americans indicate they have sufficient liquidity or access to funds to cover a $1,000 emergency expense, a Bankrate survey found. This can present challenges when dealing with job losses, medical issues or other problems that could exhaust one’s cash reserves."

So this raises the question for most Americans: file a lawsuit with what money? It also raises the question of whether your rights should depend on your bank balance. Now, we can pretend that anyone can start a successful gofundme to fund their efforts to have their basic rights protected, but you see where this is going?

As for the media: what media outlets? And why would they care unless it is a particularly egregious story or it involves someone famous? Thousands of people have their rights violated every day. Why would the media care about any "nobody"?

No you don't live in 1984 or Soviet Russia. You live in much worse circumstances because back in the Soviet times, the state, fortunately, had limited ability to surveil, track and control you. The capabilities a state gone bad have at their disposal today are much, much more invasive and effective. And the brutality you risk (eg CECOT) is arguably not materially better than getting shipped off to Siberia. At least around 90% of those who were shipped off to Siberia had fixed term sentences.

And perhaps you will never have the opportunity to litigate if you find yourself wronged. What if you die in custody due to a medical emergency that was not taken into account? Thousands die of medical neglect in custody every year in the US. (Look it up. State and federal custody, ICE, prison system etc). This happens to thousands of people every year and nobody cares. Least of all the media. What if you find yourself in CECOT -- effectively isolated from the world and anyone in your personal network that could do something about it? Or in ICE detention where the very best case is that you disappear for days without anyone knowing where you are, and without the ability to contact anyone.

It frightens me that people can find their way to Hacker News yet be so ignorant of the reality the majority of Americans face. How can you not know basic statistical facts? How can you not ask yourself how someone who isn't rich, isn't well connected, doesn't have a strong network of people around them are supposed to defend their basic rights?

Know what you are talking about. Find out what reality is like for other people. Don't blab on about remedies that are purely theoretical for much of the citizenry. Know stuff!

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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post #526

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File a lawsuit, and if that fails go to the media. Or do both at the same time. As bad as things are, we don’t live in 1984 or Soviet Russia yet, and this works for citizens. Maybe there’s one or two cases where this hasn’t worked, but that would be an extreme outlier. The courts still strongly support habeas corpus for citizens.

Only 47% of adults in the US have the liquidity to cover an unforeseen expense of USD 1000 according to a 2026 Bankrate survey. https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/emergency-savings-r... The quote: "At a time of sticky inflation and a softening job market, extra money in the bank can serve as a lifeline for many consumers. Yet just 47% of Americans indicate they have sufficient liquidity or access to funds to co…

Your hyperventilating about the current state of the US aside, there are many ways in which things could be worse. Are they great? No. But they have been worse, they are worse in many other countries, and likely they will get worse again here before long. If you think things are this bad now I can’t wait to see what you think about things a decade or so from now.

People currently do have ways to fight back, even those with limited resources. That may not be the case forever. But lying down and sighing about how hopeless things are helps nobody, least of all yourself.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#528

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they can try, so far GrapheneOS has been the only mobile OS immune to them.

Indeed. So they'll hold it and ask you to come in and unlock it. If you don't, you don't get your phone back.

It depends on your country if that would be legal

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#529

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they can try, so far GrapheneOS has been the only mobile OS immune to them.

I have really, really, really bad news for you about any modern SoC, including all those by Qualcomm. Their ROM private keys are widely available to the three letter agencies. Your OS, while cute, provides no protection at all to anyone who has physical access. Secure boot root keys give away the whole kingdom

Secureboot keys do not give away any data on the encrypted "cute" OS. At worst they can attempt an evil maid attack but why bother when they can use any device of the same model.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

#530

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The disk is encrypted. They might be able to install a backdoor but they can't get the data.

Backdoored OS installed. Device returned. Wait.

Why bother with that when they can replace it with any backdoored phone of the same model.
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