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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by browningstreet »

badthingfactory wrote: post #437
browningstreet wrote: post #399

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I recently made a decision between a Macbook and a Linux laptop. I went around and around on this, I really wanted the Linux laptop. I even considered Omarchy on one of the Panther Lake machines DHH says he's gotten it working on. I made a decision I didn't want to make: I bought the Macbook Pro. If I was retired or completely cashflow positive in my endeavors, I'd pick the machine I want. That being said, there were…

You probably made the right decision. In my opinion, DHH is underselling how terrible the keyboard on the Dell XPS is. I bought the lunar lake XPS and I hate the keyboard so much, I turned it into an expensive Jellyfin server and bought a $275 thinkpad T14 on ebay to use instead. Maybe the keyboard on the panther lake version is better, but my fingers just get lost with the flat keys. In addition, they are super low-…

Thanks. I appreciate the report. The keyboard is important to me.. I do a lot of work on the road and don’t want a lot of peripherals. Apple keyboard and trackpad are great.

My “nice” mechanical keyboard is sitting on my old desktop, which is now a container store. It’s easier to not go back and forth.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by projektfu »

throwa356262 wrote: post #46
ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

Am I the only one who prefers Teams to the Slack and Zoom? The ability to write in the meeting chat before and after a meeting for example. That is some serious quality of life function that all others are lacking.

I don't like either very much. Both Teams and Zoom try to stay resident after you're done. I use both from the browser now because they are both abusive.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by vel0city »

kakacik wrote: post #302
exceptione wrote: post #249

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Cool. Windows can't do 99% of the things I and anyone not grasping at straws can do with Linux. It is getting tiring, I don't say Linux is perfect, but KDE has been better than Windows for years, Linux doesn't bit rot like an average Windows install and Linux is in practice surprisingly more stable, but no-no-no, Linux can't be this time again. Quick... ehm "there is a piece of software that only works on Windows". H…

No need for such childish reaction, dismissing other's viewpoints achieves nothing for your side of arguments, at least nothing good and one of the reasons some skilled folks won't migrate, we have enough toxic communities elsewhere. Also quite a few inaccuracies - what the heck is 'bit rot' on windows? I had 1 same Windows 10 install running on desktop for 8 years as primary personal PC and installed tons of softwar…

> I had 1 same Windows 10 install running on desktop for 8 years as primary personal PC

I actually have a desktop still running that got a launch party host Windows 7 Steve Ballmer edition install that's just been upgraded as time has gone on. Very much a Ship of Theseus machine but technically only ever migrated the OS image around, never reinstalled. That's 17 years of a Windows install so far, and its perfectly fine. That one install has made it through multiple motherboards and OS upgrades. It'll end up dying and being replaced once I get too uncomfortable with 10 EoL, this board is still useful to me but it doesn't have a TPM so Windows is dead to this machine.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by saidnooneever »

autoexec wrote: post #314
HexPhantom wrote: post #208

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The underlying point about power imbalance and gradual normalization of bad behavior is fair, but that analogy carries a lot of real-world weight that doesn't map cleanly to software decisions

> but that analogy carries a lot of real-world weight that doesn't map cleanly to software decisions It's imperfect. We have way more choices in domestic partners than we do with operating systems but I think there are a lot of similarities though too. User-hostile software like Windows is intentionally designed to develop dependence and learned helplessness in users. Windows will gaslight you. Microsoft will victim…

saying victims of domestic violence should chose better is also victim blaming ma dude.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by bachmeier »

cesarb wrote: post #453
alexb_ wrote: post #120

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Most people want a computer that works with their software. No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution. Especially because nearly everyone has some niche thing they like, some 5% that isn't covered by the FOSS solutions, that only a niche Windows program can actually do correctly. And that doesn't even get into gaming.

> Most people want a computer that works with their software. No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution. Why is that argument always applied against Linux, and never against for instance macOS, which also can't run Windows software?

> Why is that argument always applied against Linux, and never against for instance macOS, which also can't run Windows software?

There's a certain type of technical user that gets joy from coming up with arguments, good, bad, or just pulled out of their butt, explaining why people can't use Linux. I'm not going to spend my day trying to understand people's unusual preferences.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Vinnl »

ndespres wrote: post #387
neves wrote: post #299

For me the worst is Microsoft Start news. I've already turned it off multiple times and it always come back. To add insult to injury, it always displays terrible gossip, sports or far right news. If any developer that works in MS news service is reading this message, please know that I hate you.

It's so mind-boggling that they have control over the default browser home page and the news feed on everyone's taskbar and they choose to show gossip and one weird trick that doctors hate. Don't they feel embarrassed that they pollute their brand like this? Is the revenue from the clicks really worth it, or do they just not care?

I don't think it's about revenue from clicks; they probably believe that it is what customers want, because those customers click on it. That surely means that they want it.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by doomroot13 »

garganzol wrote: post #507
doomroot13 wrote: post #501

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I turned it off exactly once through the settings and it's never appeared again over years of updates. How did you "turn it off"?

I presume that it's a difference between Windows OS editions. I turned it off too, but it wasn't as easy as one click, I had to use Group Policies to decrapify the adjacent aspects of the system. Group policies are not available in Windows Home edition, for example.

I just went into the settings for the widgets, turned off the "Start" or "News" experience or whatever it is and it's never come back. Just using the toggle it offers in settings. While I was at it I went into the taskbar settings and just turned off the widgets altogether, never came back. I wonder if sometimes we just assume the worst and resort first to "hack" ways to disable some of these things and when a new update comes along from your company or whoever, it gets re-enabled. Instead of just using the built-in functionality for turning things off.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by epistasis »

AdamN wrote: post #426
tantalor wrote: post #408

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> consumers have little power here Don't buy their products, and tell your friends

By friends we mean IT leadership in organizations which really needs to be making the case for MacOS, Linux, ChromeOS, or whatever instead of (but more likely in addition to) Windows.

You can even keep that Office365 subscription going on Linux via the web apps these days. They are buggy as hell, but no more buggy than the Mac versions in my experience (haven't used the Windows versions enough to compare...)

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by charcircuit »

autoexec wrote: post #262
charcircuit wrote: post #162

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If people truly cared then there would be a high enough expected value to invest into building competitor to be financially worth it.

Sometimes companies will make more money by refusing to give consumers what they want. Collusion is also extremely profitable. A competitor that isn't interested in playing along can be bought out, but once shareholders get involved they're going to insist on screwing over their customers just like everyone else does anyway because they'd be leaving a huge pile of cash on the table otherwise and short term profits ar…

"by refusing to give consumers what they want." in practice consumers don't really want that, that much. The companies do similar things due to the similar ways consumers react to them. That's the point of this rely chain.
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