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Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by nozzlegear »

DontForgetMe wrote: post #486
nozzlegear wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdote but I've never had issues with the keyboard, or with Siri mishearing me (just to touch on another common pain point that people talk about re: Apple tech). I've always interpreted stories like this as the people who are most affected by it being vocal and speaking out (as they should), while the majority who aren't just have nothing to say because it all works fine. > Worse, it seems that proprietary means y…

'Lots of people say this, but I don't agree' really doesn't logically lead to 'therefore, the majority of people probably agree with me'. Lots of people say they love in India, and that is not true for new. That doesn't make the likeliest fact that a majority of the world lives in the UK and, while India is an oddly vocal 'minority'.

What?

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by numpad0 »

The actually issue according to another comment [0] is this[1]:

> Around iOS 17 (Sept. 2023) Apple updated their autocorrect to use a transformer model which should've been awesome and brought it closer to Gboard (Gboard is a privacy terror but honestly, worth it).

> What it actually did/failed to improve is make your phone keyboard:

> Suck at suggesting accurate corrections to misspelled words

> "Correct" misspelled words with an even worse misspelling

> "Correct" your correctly spelled word with an incorrectly spelled word

Which makes me wonder: is Transformer model good with manipulating short texts and texts with errors at all ? It's kind of known that open weight LLMs don't perform well for CJK conversion tasks[2], and I've also been disappointed by their general lack of typo tolerances myself as well. They're BAD for translating ultrashort sentences and singled out words as well[3]. They're great for vibecoding, though.

Which makes me think, are they usable for anything under 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47006171

1: https://thismightnotmatter.com/a-little-website-i-made-for-a...

2: The process of yielding "㍑" from "rittoru"

3: No human can translate, e.g. "translate left" in isolation correctly as "move left arm", but LLMs seem to be more all over the place than humans

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by brianweet »

Reminds me of some research I once did in order to reduce typos on low-end Firefox OS devices. The capacitive touchscreen had horrible limitations, especially for typing. It had bands across the screen where it could only detect one finger at a time. Once you picked up typing speed it ended up in similar misses you see in the YouTube video, albeit even worse (you end up with a letter between your two fingers).

Eventually found two simple but effective ways to improve autocorrect/typing performance. First build a personalized and adaptive touch model trained on the device itself, mainly to fix simple typos. Second to fix low end screen limitations, use simple heuristics based on touchstart, touchmove and touchend [1].

Anyways, I'm no iPhone user but interesting to read. It would drive me nuts.

[0]: https://www.brianweet.com/2015/03/24/implement-touch-model.h... [1]: https://www.brianweet.com/2015/04/08/low-end-touchscreen-lim...

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by amatecha »

Yeah, text editing on iOS has gotten progressively worse and worse. It's astonishing how much it has degraded in usability compared to the earlier versions of iOS. "It just works" is no longer a phrase I would ever consider saying about iPhones or Apple products in general. Pretty disappointing as they used to be quite an inspiration for quality software design.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by brailsafe »

n8cpdx wrote: post #510

It will be hard, but I’m transitioning out of Apple ecosystem regardless of whether they improve. Just like Windows 11, I get ads whether I want them or not - just got a push notification for a new financial product (!!!) despite going out of my way to opt out. iOS 26 made my 16 Pro, practically brand new, feel slow. I upgraded because my 13 mini was slow, and I chose Apple in the first place because they had some of…

I've been an Android & Mac & Windows user for the last 15 years, (Windows just for gaming), iOS only on an old iPad, and have no plans to change that, but while I do have frustrations with all 3 systems, iOS is wildly irritating to me. Thankfully I've only been forced to use it on a phone for a short term work requirement, but my god I was happy to not have an iPhone in my life after that. Keyboard and notifications were unavoidably annoying to interact with. I've always loved Apple hardware though, and hope that they can turn things around on the mac software side

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by tempestn »

n8cpdx wrote: post #510

It will be hard, but I’m transitioning out of Apple ecosystem regardless of whether they improve. Just like Windows 11, I get ads whether I want them or not - just got a push notification for a new financial product (!!!) despite going out of my way to opt out. iOS 26 made my 16 Pro, practically brand new, feel slow. I upgraded because my 13 mini was slow, and I chose Apple in the first place because they had some of…

I'm curious why my experience with Windows 11 is so different from what I regularly read. It was some years ago now, so I don't remember exactly what configuration steps I went through, but presumably I turned off ads when I first installed. And so, I don't get ads. I don't recall ever seeing an ad embedded in Windows. Are people talking about Edge (which I don't use) or inside the Microsoft Store (which I very rarely use, but I presume does have sponsored apps or whatever)? Or is this mostly people who don't use Windows, repeating what others have said? Or are these ads targeted at users who aren't me?

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by lynndotpy »

malfist wrote: post #92
etrautmann wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what this is about. If you have a group chat with one android user, it used to make all aspects of the interactions clunkier. Green bubbles, sending a new text instead of reactions, etc. as such, people would get left off of a list. Those small interactions add up over time.

If your "friends" care enough about small stuff like that to cut you out of their conversations, they're not your friends.

You're misunderstanding the situation and reading malice into teenagers who are living in a world of decisions that were made before they were even born.

It's not "small stuff", it's the entire medium through which the conversation happens. It's the entire thing.

Do you "cut" your mom out of your group chats with your coworkers? Do you "cut" your coworkers out of intimate chats with your partners? Of course you do, because people maintain multiple overlapping group chats.

In group chats with your blue-bubble friends, they will be easier to read (because of the shades of color), media quality will be better, you can add more people to the group chat after it's made, you can text people from your iPad or Macbook, you can text people over WiFi even when you don't have service. When each text used to cost money, it was also a huge deal that iMessage (on WiFi) was free. This is on top of all the other chat features like playing games, pins, etc.

A lot of these limitations are intentional so that Apple can make more money, some of them are just limitations of SMS / RCS. But the point is that this is not the kids faults, this isn't bullying.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by pllbnk »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #480
pllbnk wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons in recent times to go to Apple ecosystem was supposedly better privacy protections and decoupling from dependency on Google. You would pay extra for the UX and privacy among other things. Installing third party keyboard means that they can see what I type.

Apple has a privacy setting for each keyboard that restricts if they have network access.

Glad to learn this! I didn't know about it but I also double-checked the UI and it says in a warning dialog that the third party will be able to see everything I type and the network setting isn't mentioned there.

Anyway, my point regarding the UX still stands. Apple's UX is barely as good as other major player's - not great, not terrible. Mediocrity isn't what Apple should be aiming at.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by muppetman »

leptons wrote: post #470
abanana wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not always , if we go back to the 1980s. But in very modern times, they've lost all the learnings from back then.

lol, no, they sucked even more in the 1980s. Did you ever notice that "About this software" is the first thing on the first menu of every application? Is that because people have to know what version of the software they are using every time they start it? It's still like that today, and it's very very stupid. Other OSs get it right and put the version information on the last menu, where it doesn't clutter up the mos…

As someone who has switched from Windows to Apple recently, my God the Finder is terrible. I can't understand how people aren't flipping tables over how bad it is.

Re: Fix the iOS keyboard before the timer hits zero or I'm switching back to Android

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Post by tempestn »

BinStorm wrote: post #115

I love the fervor with which this is written, but the threat is so weak I literally chuckled. Imagine your an exec or manager on the team for keyboard development. You read this, get to the end to discover the user is gonna switch devices for... 2 whole calander years? What's that amount to? Maybe 2 device upgrades on If your a die hard gotta have the newest latest model phone each year. Then what? you'll be back? Th…

I don't think the threat is to leave for 2 years then come back. He just doesn't want to commit to leaving forever. Who knows if in a decade it'll be Android with the shitty keyboard (or Apple will have the better Direct Brain Interface, or whatever). Most likely though, if someone switches ecosystems for 2+ years, they're going to get used to the new one and stay there.
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