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For those who haven't looked at the results, I find them more depressing: >What emotion best describes how you feel about Donald Trump’s presidency so far? Of Republicans: 40% Satisfaction 24% Enthusiasm/pride 6% Hope 5% Relief They are loving this.

Of course they are, they haven't seen or thought through any consequences yet. Wait and see how they feel in 2 ½ more years.

Would you enlighten us about how we are supposed to feel in 2.5 years?

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Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

> 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market What about China? India?

india is a great market, but:

1. extremely price sensitive; zoho is regarded as expensive

2. 121 major languages in active/business use, with 22 formally recognised by government. These people may understand limited english.

3. 28 unique states plus 8 unique territories.

so in many ways its like expanding across the US, except there are 22 languages as well as 36 state law regimes, plus federal law, and then indian city law, transfer pricing regimes, currency settlement issues... etc.

China is also possible, but still price sensitive and strongly culturally prefers local solutions

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> build a better model with lower latency. That's mighty impossible for the european mindset - people here are not so risk-eager as to through hundreds of billions on infrastructure for something that might return a profit.

This is part of the answer. I have a theory about the second part; European consumers have an even more suspicious view of "corporate overlords" if they are domestic/European than if they are American. Not because Americans are more trustworthy, but because they see Europeans as "anonymous masses" and are therefore more "neutral" to the internal struggles in Europe. Signing up to a service owned by a European "dynast…

Hasn't this also something to do with the cultural dominance that US have had over the EU? We considered US services more valuable just because they where from US. But that cultural dominance might not be as strong anymore, maybe because of social media/TikTok?

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Probably there are plenty of regulations related to safety and suitability regarding electricity, water, washing residue on dishes, etc. Without being more specific, the only thing I can presume is that you were unwilling to follow regulations here. I furnished and equipped my home a couple of years ago, and I had plenty of options for dishwashers, from multiple brands. Many different models at varied price points. T…

Yep, small biz can't compete with big business. And to clarify, if there was a single regulatory body, it would be fine. I just didn't want to deal with each country. Probably a shame since it was totally safe. Too much regulation causes your costs to go up and features to go down. I don't blame your attitude here. If you can't get something, you want to come up with something that makes you feel better.

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Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

There is also australian and british markets I assume?

100M people isn't nothing, but it is highly likely that EU products would compete strongly in those markets.

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You do know that the UK literally isn't in the EU, right? A lot of your rant is really weird.

I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general) I wouldn't consider it a rant per se but rather that India's trying to move towards an multi polar deal and EU and India actually has a more net negative and Indians are wary of…

I really think we (as OCI/NRI) should move on from using Jallianwala or whatever. This doesn't help. Don't use BS to justify.

Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices.

Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years.

Who did what? You need to fix your own country. Even if British didn't invade - the princely states of India were feuding. Fighting. If it was not one country then TN and Karnataka would have gone to war.

UK were open minded to elect a non- white as PM in UK. Though he was very bad for for UK.

Do some creative things instead of using colonial things. Nobody cares. If some from that family hate UK or west then why come and live a happy life here (being UK/EU citizens). As an OCI holder, I get better treatment at immigration than I was an Indian citizen.

While lots of things exist like ISRO etc there is still abject poverty, pollution, health care issues.

Yes, India sends talents. Myself living about 10 years here.

But note. TCS etc employees gain more coming here than they contribute. Yes, skill shortage etc. at the end while using the fantastic TGV here in France - I am benefiting more than contribute despite working in a high tech scientific industry.

Eventually Bihari in TN will say I did so much work in Coimabatore mills but you guys are treating me shit; and for the non-hindi speaking Tamil in Pune they treat like shit.

If all these are better the internal economy will be great. On path to some self sufficiency. No. Instead you come here to insult current EU UK citizens. It is of no use.

The point is even if Sundar Pichai was in India he would not have built a Google.

You can be cautious but at the end people like Bhavish Aggarwal or biju or l&t CEO etc are the ones you get there. They don't give a shit about people. Until then people will try to move here. Fix that.

Otherwise people will come here to work. Just 9-5. No sat/sunday work. No fking Manager would call you after office hours.

(Again, there will be YouTube videos of NRI telling - it is better life in India than USA/EU. Yes, true. If you are 10%top earner in India or at the

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

US perspective: EU looks like a great place to expand into once I've reached some critical size threshold. But I can't imagine starting a business there. In the US we have effectively limitless capital, tons of tech talent, and many fewer regulations.

Just about everything I'd want to do in a startup appears illegal or otherwise infeasible in the EU because of the morass of data and AI and energy regulations.

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Current admin has been on record for years saying the same thing. Warning EU about russia, warning EU about China, warning them about not innovating. I don't know if this was planned internally but it seems the way they figured out how to get EU to actually do something is to make it seem like big bad trump is going to hurt them. Current admin has gotten more out of EU than 20years of asking nicely. Before: US: "plea…

It never ceases to amaze me the contortions some people put themselves through to make this US administration seem sane or even vaguely interested in the flourishing of Europe, Canada or the wider west.

Watch Trump's meetings with NATO from 2016-2019 on Youtube. He's saying exactly the same things about Europe, but nicer.

Nice didn't work. Even Russia invading a European county didn't work. Europe's head has been firmly planted in the sand for too long.

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What was the last successful French software project in the Telecom or Conferencing space? This project has been forced into the hands of 40k users, but likely due to a plethora of bugs and user experience issues they are picking a date far in the future for broad deployment. Belledonne Communications has been actively breaking Linphone, conference calling broke back in August 2023 for example and remains broken to t…

Idk, VLC is kinda everywhere and while not the super cutting edge of video playing anymore, is still pretty OK. If they'd just attach a chat and SIP client to VLC they'd be set.

I don't know what's the ETA on VLC 4 but it's been entirely usable for me for the past year, and it's pretty cutting edge (internally). Hopefully it's not too long before we'll see beta releases.

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Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

There is also australian and british markets I assume?

Britain is trying to get tighter with UE and back into the common market.
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