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Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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IDK I got really sick in a foreign country, I wasn't sure how to get to the hospital and I was alone in a hotel room. I don't really know how using chatgpt to help me isn't actualizing.

did you try asking at the reception desk?

The hotel owner eventually half carried me to the hospital because I got so weak from dehydration, though I'm glad I left my hotel room when I did I had difficulty avoiding fainting.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Ex-Google here; there are many people both current and past-Google that feel the same way as the composite coworker in the linked post. I haven't escaped this mindset myself. I'm convinced there are a small number of places where LLMs make truly effective tools (see: generation of "must be plausible, need not be accurate" data, e.g. concept art or crowd animations in movies), a large number of places where LLMs make…

It's the latest tech holy war. Tabs vs Spaces but more existential. I'm usually anti hype and I've been convinced of AI's use over and over when it comes to coding. And whenever I talk about it, I see that I come across as an evangelist. Some people appreciate that, online I get a lot of push back despite having tangible examples of how it has been useful.

I think it's more a continuation of IDE versus pure editor.

More precisely:

In one side, it's the "tools that build up critical mass" philosophy. AI firmly resides here.

On the other, it's the "all you need is brain and plain text" philosophy. We don't see much AI in this camp.

One thing I learned is that you should never underestimate the "all you need is brain and plain text" camp. That philosophy survived many, many "fatal blows" and has come up on top several times. It has one unique feature: resilience to bloat, something that the current smart tools camp is obviously overlooking.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Reading some of these comments from fellow seattleites, I'm really quite thankful for having the privilege of being able to completely ignore all of this noise.

There is zero push in my org to use any of these tools. I don't really use them at all but know some coworkers who do and that's fine. Sounds like this is a rare and lucky arrangement.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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My hot take is that the evangelical people don't really like AI either they're just scared. I think you have to be outside of big tech to appreciate AI

If AI replaces software engineers, people outside tech doesn't have much chance of surviving it too.

Exactly. I think it’s pretty clear that software engineering is an “intelligence complete” problem. If you can automatically solve SWE than you can automatically solve pretty much all knowledge work.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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I'm not a big llm booster, but I will say that they're really good for proof of concepts, for turning detailed pseudocode into code, sometimes for getting debugging ideas. I'm a decade younger than you, but I've programmed in 4GLs (yuch), lived through a few attempts at visual programming (ugh), and ... LLM assistance is different. It's not magic and it does really poorly at the things I'm truly expert at, but it doe…

> but it does quite well with boring stuff that's still a substantial amount of programming. I'm happy that it works out for you, and probably this is a reflection of the kind of work that I do, I wouldn't know how to begin to solve a problem like designing a braille wheel or a windmill using AI tools even though there is plenty of coding along the way. Maybe I could use it to make me faster at using OpenSCAD but I a…

I've used it a little for openscad with mixed results - sometimes it worked. But I'm a beginner at openscad and suspect if I were better it would have been faster to just code it. It took a lot of English to describe the shape - quite possibly more than it would have taken to just write in openscad. Saying "a cube 3cm wide by 5cm high by 2cm deep" vs cube([5, 3, 2]) ... and as you say, the hard part is before the openscad anyway.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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IDK I got really sick in a foreign country, I wasn't sure how to get to the hospital and I was alone in a hotel room. I don't really know how using chatgpt to help me isn't actualizing.

did you try asking at the reception desk?

Growing up in the internet age (I'm 28 now) it took me until well into my 20s to realize how many classes of problems can be solved in 30 seconds on a phone call vs hours on a computer.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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My friends at Google are some of the most negative about the potential of AI to improve software development. I was always surprised by this and assumed internally at Google would be one of the first places to adopt these.

Google has good engineers. Generally I've noticed the better someone is at coding the more critical they are of AI generated code. Which make sense honestly. It's easier to spot flaws the more expert you are. This doesn't mean they don't use AI gen code, just they are more careful with when an where.

> Generally I've noticed the better someone is at coding the more critical they are of AI generated code.

I'm having a dejavu of yesterday's discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46126988

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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AI/LLMs provide an absolutely perfect excuse for halfwit managers and other fail upwards type people

I hate the entire premise even though some of it has been useful but at worst you're creating code and/or information that's just wrong and "can get someone killed" (metaphorical, but also probably literal), you're creating absolutely unrealistic expectations

Zuck said they'd be able to replace engineers with AI. Well, that tells you everything you need to know, doesn't it? With all of the scandals Facebook properties have had over the years. A real engineer/competent CEO wouldn't say that

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Why did OP have to mention AI and just ask for feedback on the solution itself and let anything come up organically?

Big tech workers might be perceiving writing on the wall sooner - there have already been some layoffs.

I also find a lot of technpeollemsurprisinglynhabent spent as much time with AI over the past 3 years compared to other techs.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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I wonder if this issues isn't caused by people who aren't programmers, and now they can churn out AI generated stuff that they couldn't before. So to them, this is a magical new ability. Where as people who are already adept at their craft just see the slop. Same thing in other areas. In the before-times, you had to painstakingly handcraft your cat memes. Now a bot comes along and allows someone to make cat memes the…

AI is better than you at what you aren’t very good at. But once you are even mediocre at doing something you realize AI is wrong / pretty bad at doing most things and every once in awhile makes a baffling mistake. There are some exceptions where AI is genuinely useful, but I have employees who try to use AI all the time for everything and their work is embarrassingly bad.

>AI is better than you at what you aren’t very good at.

Yes, this is better phrased.

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