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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by chroma205 »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #428
UberFly wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may personally have an issue with federal law enforcement detaining people who are in the US illegally, but nobody is being "kidnapped".

A citizen being rounded up by the state and bundled off to a foreign country illegally and with no process is absolutely kidnapping regardless of how much you want to pretend otherwise.

> A citizen being rounded up by the state and bundled off to a foreign country illegally and with no process is absolutely kidnapping regardless of how much you want to pretend otherwise.

You realize half of Americans literally don’t care right?

But I respect your effort for trying. I will stay on my gaming chair and do nothing (won’t vote, won’t donate, won’t raise awareness).

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Post by throaway123213 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #484
faidit wrote: post #460

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The nuclear missile was developed under Khrushchev, who was actually decent. Stalin brought back the Czarist internal passport system, Russian chauvinism, racial discrimination and prison slavery, enriched a new oligarchy, his police killed most of Lenin's politburo and thousands of other good Communists on false charges, and he almost lost Moscow to a fascist incel armed with Panzer IIs, despite the superiority of t…

RDS-1 (first nuclear bomb) was tested in 1949. Stalin died in 1953. So it was definitely under Stalin's rule that nuclear program was developed. It is fun to read about Russian chauvinism under Stalin rule, given the fact that he wasn't Russian himself.

Stalin didn't need to claim any ethnicity. He was the man of Iron, not a silly human like you or me.

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

wosined wrote: post #172

Sounds so authoritarian. Luckily, in the UK you only have to scan your face and ID to access cat photos.

> Luckily, in the UK you only have to scan your face and ID to access cat photos.

Please wait for us, the relentless chat control legislation will make us (the EU) overtake you and mandatory age verification is pretty much a certainty at this point.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by lifestyleguru »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #504
amarant wrote: post #242

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How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

Yes, it is the single most popular vector for scammers to fleece old people. Great! Add to that, that your identity is controlled by banks, not the government, and that banks can terminate you without any due process, and complaining can take weeks if not months, and there is no guaranteed positive outcome. No thank you, I'll take no ID over ID any day, and at worst, a physical plastic card over a bullsh*t digital so…

Banks and fintechs turned really brazen with triggering invasive AML/KYC requests without any legal basis, even more invasive than tax offices. Nonchalantly freezing and locking funds and accounts. They oftentimes require the latest version of smartphone app working only on recent smartphones. I don't want my digital identity to depend on them.

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Post by ponector »

vbezhenar wrote: post #424
cheema33 wrote: post #321

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> Given the payoff and endless iterations resources will be thrown at it and it would eventually get better. Allow the user to download and install it if it turns out to be great. Do not shove things down people's throat against their wishes, like an authoritarian govt. Otherwise you start to resemble Stalin's Soviet Union.

Stalin did not force anyone to install apps. He was actually a good ruler. He took over the country with a plough and left it with a nuclear missile.

Right! It's a known fact that good rulers are creating death camps, doing multiple acts of genocide and multiple unprovoked military invasions to the neighbors.

Are saying Kim Jong Un is a good ruler as well? He ruled country during nuclear missile production.

You should praise Hitler as good ruler as well as stalin.

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Post by rramadass »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #511
rramadass wrote: post #499

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Caught your BS and triggered you, have i ? All that you have posted are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda so as to try and steer the discussion in another totally negative direction. As Slashdot named it, you are just a "Anonymous Coward" (i.e. Someone too cowardly to post their real name next to what they write) and a troll.

> The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda Here's another possible reason: I actively dislike totalitarianism. If you're able to make a substantiated comment beyond the trope of "totally irrelevant", I'd be happy to entertain your opinion. > As Slashdot named it, you are just a "Anonymous Coward" [...] and a troll. Again, resorting to name calling and equating anonymity with trolli…

Keep digging the hole; it lets people see and realize your agenda.

To repeat myself;

All that you have posted are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda ...

That is exactly what a "troll"/anonymous coward" does. It is the accepted nomenclature in the Interwebs for such behaviour.

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Post by ekianjo »

ace32229 wrote: post #509
greenavocado wrote: post #497

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Your digital id is great until your leadership decides you need to be conscripted and sent to their meat grinder and the penalty for failing to appear for your death sentence is being cut off from food and water because everything is linked. The idea of all these digital documents is never a problem until you go through the exercise of figuring out what it will all be used for (controlling you).

Digital ID makes no difference to this whatsoever. If a government wanted to cut you off from utilities they could make it happen within hours already. Same with conscription, which needless to say was invented and effectively implemented prior to the invention of digital anything.

> Digital ID makes no difference to this whatsoever.

Of course it does. It makes it possible to track exactly where you are and what you are doing. So it pushes the balance of power towards the authorities.

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Post by ekianjo »

satyamkapoor wrote: post #492
wiz21c wrote: post #435

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Done more or less like that in Belgium too. Basically, if any civil servant look at your data, this is recorded in the "Banque Carrefour de la Sécurité Sociale". Your eid is used to authentify/authorize you on various state web site (which is OK)

Have been using this service in Belgium and it really helps you gain trust. Ofcourse no one knows if there is still a back door

You should totally assume by default that there is a backdoor. Makes no sense whatsoever for the authorities to grant themselves less power.

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Post by gclawes »

amarant wrote: post #242
nephihaha wrote: post #162

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you.

If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your digital ID to do most commercial interactions (banking, buying things, travel, etc), it means the government can revoke your ability to do any of those commercial interactions (or even other things that aren't strictly commercial, think "travel papers" for driving out of state).

And it doesn't even have to be in response to criminal actions. You too too many trips this year? Well, you've used up your CO2 budget as a citizen, have fun not buying CO2-intensive food (meat). Said something racist online? Well we certainly can't let a person like you buy a car now, can we?

And yes, things like credit cards and credit scores are centrally managed to a degree, and Visa/Mastercard can deny transactions for somewhat-arbitrary reasons (they're actually fairly legally limited in how they can do this, it's not totally arbitrary). But these things are not tied into every aspect of your life (your bank doesn't necessarily know how many miles you've driven this year), whereas states can (or can invent the legal authority to) tie a digital ID into everything.

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Post by [deleted] »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #519
Aachen wrote: post #426

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Presumably the point is what they wrote, e.g. "an app doesn't solve that. Digital literacy is a need for today" Not saying I agree or disagree but your reply comes across as passive aggressive to me. Not that the parent post makes pleasant insinuations either, to be fair...

When we're struggling with literacy itself, and people have lost huge amounts of money, and there have been several suicides linked to these scams, digital literacy in a passive mode is unlikely to work. Bangalore is supposedly the most digital literate place in India. The data below speaks for itself. Aggressive measures then might be justified. It's very easy to make virtuous comments without knowing anything of th…

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