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Each EU country nominates one official language for the EU, otherwise we'd have Catalan, Breton, Kashubian and many more.
Which country nominates English? The obvious suspects are Ireland and Malta which have nominated non English languages so it is not them.
EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages
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Tomorrow there are elections in the Netherlands, and two parties are proposing adding Frysian to that list: https://neerlandistiek.nl/2025/10/kies-voor-taal/ Best get to retraining those models.
As a Brit I feel very at home when hearing/reading Dutch and Frisian. It’s a reminder that England and the Low Countries share a lot of close history all the way back to Anglo-Saxon times; of being fishers, traders, burghers and mercenaries moving around the North Sea chasing opportunities, spreading and augmenting languages. “Brea, bûter en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk”
The cadence and general way it sounds is much closer to English than any other language
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like British English vs US English, Flemish is a dialect of dutch
I think sentence should be easily readable to Flemish speaker: "A shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with_a...
It's mostly true, though, even if it's a somewhat simplified view.
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Problem with these grant proposal things is that it favors established businesses over small founders. Establishes businesses have much more resources to go through all the legal / red tape issues. I’ve seen this in practice with innovation subsidies: small startup has to spend a lot of time to go though all the hoops, taking up significant resources, to get modest compensation for actual innovative work. Larger busi…
this! it favors established business with legal teams and (maybe more importantly) with connections. The EU is also great at creating a heavy regulatory environment. Which entrenches existing incumbents. So the EU creates barriers that favor big companies, then tries to fix it with grants that... also favor big companies. And then everyone's surprised that there's no innovation in Europe. From all the world's compani…
Would you rather have an economy of SAPs or an economy of Teslas?
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You certainly wouldn’t call English a “dialect”
"A language is a dialect with an army and navy" -- Max Weinrich In the Yiddish original: "אַ שפּראַך איז אַ דיאַלעקט מיט אַן אַרמיי און פֿלאָט", see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with_a...
So tough that "siege of Malta" needs a disambiguation page on Wikipedia.
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Got me, I'm not American, but isn't it true? California Consumer Privacy Act is a thing you need to take into account for Californian customers. Illinois has a Biometric Privacy Act. And who knows what Wyoming or South Dakota or Oregon have that you might take into account if your business falls under any of them.
How much oversight is there and how strong is? And if you cover Califronia, New york, Texas and Florida. Would those other places really stop you, specifically if its online? And even if you get fined, how much is that fine going to be? Because they are plenty of companies just ignoring regulation and simply paying the fines, as the enforcement often a joke.
TBH, in this respect it's much the same in the EU.
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It’s about control. It is a fundamental difference in perspective and mentality regarding control. America is or at least was largely oriented around indirect control or outcome oriented objectives, where Europe is largely oriented around direct control or prescribed objectives. It’s also enshrined in our respective governments and the foundational philosophies that underpin them. The US Declaration of Independence s…
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#528For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…
I find it interesting that Norwegian isn't on the list. I have often joked that Norwegian is just a dialect of Swedish, but I never expected to get official validation like this!
That being said, the Scandinavian languages all come from old Norse, and modern national constructs aside, most of the people in the those areas descend from the same mix of Germanic tribes. There's no denying that modern-day Danish, Norwegian and Swedish are very similar.
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I'd use a model trained on a targeted and curated data set over one trained on all the crap on the internet any day.
I keep hearing that LLMs are trained on "Internet crap" but is it true? For instance we know from Anthropic copyright case that they scanned millions of books to make a training set. They certainly use Internet content for training but I'm sure it's curated to a large degree. They don't just scrap random pages and feed into LLM.
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#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
this! it favors established business with legal teams and (maybe more importantly) with connections. The EU is also great at creating a heavy regulatory environment. Which entrenches existing incumbents. So the EU creates barriers that favor big companies, then tries to fix it with grants that... also favor big companies. And then everyone's surprised that there's no innovation in Europe. From all the world's compani…
>From all the world's companies worth over 100B$ there's only one European company - SAP Would you rather have an economy of SAPs or an economy of Teslas?