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Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

luispauloml wrote: post #288
Frost1x wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having just visited South Korea last year, one thing that sort of caught me off guard was the lack of Google Maps or other major direction system. I wasn’t aware but turns out anything considered “detailed mapping” infrastructure has to be ran stored and on South Korean soil, probably lots of other requirements. So you’re stuck with some shotty local mapping systems that are just bad. There may be a point in time it…

>So you’re stuck with some shotty local mapping systems that are just bad. What made you think of them as bad? Could you be more specific? I use them almost daily and I find them very good.

They lack a lot of polish. Functionally they're mostly usable, but some interactions are janky and I found the search to be super hit or miss.

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Post by 725686 »

_kst_ wrote: post #355
725686 wrote: post #353

In my twenties I worked for a "company" in Mexico that was the official QNX ditribuitor for Mexico and LatAm. I guess the only reason was that Mexico City's Metro used QNX, and every year they bought a new license, I don't know why. We also did a couple of sales in Colombia I think, but was a complete shit show. We really just sent them the software by mail, and they had all sorts of issues getting it out of customs.…

I think you meant to post this comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45481892

Hmm, yes...I don't see how to move or remove, so...sorry for that

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by bane »

samus wrote: post #508
bane wrote: post #491

Goodness, I have over 100TB at home and it cost less than a two or three thousand dollars to put in place. That's like $25 per TB. > The stored data amounts to 858TB (terabytes), equivalent to 449.5 billion A4 sheets. No, the 858TB amounts to under $25k for the government of the 10th largest economy, of one of the most sophisticated countries on the planet, to put in place. Two of those would be less than the price o…

The article reads like they actually have a fault-tolerant system to store their data. This is probably a data dump for whatever files they are working with that might have started out as a cobbled-together prototype that just picked up momentum and pushed beyond its limitations. Many such cases not only in government IT...

Looking at the article, my read (which could be wrong) is that the backup was in the same room as the original.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by southernplaces7 »

trhway wrote: post #382
msbhvn wrote: post #122

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Woah, read the timeline at the top of this. The fire happened the very day the government ordered onsite inspection was supposed to start due to Chinese/NK hacking.

Such coincidences do happen. 20 years ago the plane which was carrying all the top brass of the Russian Black Sea Fleet as well as the Fleet’s accounting documentation for inspection to Moscow burst in flames and fell to the ground while trying to get airborne. Being loaded with fuel it immediately became one large infernal fireball. By some miracle no top brass suffered even minor burn/injury while all the accountin…

One hell of an act of God that... Believable though, given the consistent transparency and low corruption in the Russian government's administration.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by southernplaces7 »

yieldcrv wrote: post #241
msbhvn wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah, read the timeline at the top of this. The fire happened the very day the government ordered onsite inspection was supposed to start due to Chinese/NK hacking.

So, someone figured out how to do backups

They certainly will after this.

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Post by lmm »

zaran wrote: post #407
lukevp wrote: post #310

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How’s that? Using encryption, which is known to have backdoors and is vulnerable to nation state cracking?

Can you provide an example of a commonly used cryptography system that is known to be vulnerable to nation state cracking? As for backdoors, they may exist if you rely on a third party but it's pretty hard to backdoor the relatively simple algorithms used in cryptography

> Can you provide an example of a commonly used cryptography system that is known to be vulnerable to nation state cracking?

DES. Almost all pre-2014 standards-based cryptosystems due to NIST SP 800-90A. Probably all other popular ones too (like, if the NSA doesn't have backdoors to all the popular hardware random number generators then I don't know what they're even doing all day), but we only ever find out about that kind of thing 30 years down the line.

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Post by [deleted] »

highwind wrote: post #445
_heimdall wrote: post #432

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That footnote does make me question the bilingual reporter's skills in both languages though. If the reporter needs an LLM to help translate they could easily be missing subtle mistranslations. The final note that all AI-assisted translations are reviewed by the newsroom is also interesting. If they are going to take the time to review it and have enough experience in both languages to verify the translation, why use…

> That footnote does make me question the bilingual reporter's skills in both languages though. If the reporter needs an LLM to help translate they could easily be missing subtle mistranslations. I've done my fair share of translating as a bilingual person and having an LLM to do a first pass at translation saves TON of time. I don't "need" LLM, but it's definitely a helpful tool.

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Post by lenkite »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #372

At the very bottom of the article, I see this notice: > This article was originally written in Korean and translated by a bilingual reporter with the help of generative AI tools. It was then edited by a native English-speaking editor. All AI-assisted translations are reviewed and refined by our newsroom. I like that. It is direct and honest. I'm fine with people using LLMs for natural language related work, as long a…

As long as the LLM doesn't hallucinate stuff when translating, by generating text that is inaccurate or even completely fabricated.

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Post by somenameforme »

croes wrote: post #437
VirusNewbie wrote: post #300

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That’s why Microsoft can't guarantee data sovereignty https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45061153

He obviously meant encrypting before uploading. At that point it doesn't matter who's holding your data or what they try to do with it.
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