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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by grep_name »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #80
Spunkie wrote: post #29

Still no headphone jack makes this a nonstarter, lame.

How often are you listening to music on your phone while it's charging? (because otherwise you can always just attach an adapter onto your headphones to make it USB-C). Seems like a weird hang up.

I felt like it was a weird hangup too until I realized that the lifespan of my phones has dropped to a third since that damn jack disappeared. Every single phone since then the point of failure has been a worn out / chewed up USB port.

Turns out, when you have to use the same port for all music streaming as well as charging, you end up using that port (in my case) something like 1000% more often, and it absolutely demolishes the phone.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by mc3301 »

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t wrote: post #473
mc3301 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blackview n6000 has no headphone jack.

I'm wondering now how much time you used to find that single one that has no headphone jack and is also IP68 certified. Congrats, I guess?

I just happened to have that model on my desk when I read your comment.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

mbananasynergy wrote: post #511
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently suggested that GrapheneOS support devices with average security on Mastodon. Much like yourself, I think "moderately okay security" is better than "just use Google's spyware infested OS". The GrapheneOS folks replied in disagreement, insisting that this is a terrible idea because security would be less than perfect. They then started making up stories about me and throwing around unfounded accusations. I d…

I'm the community manager for GrapheneOS. That isn't what happened, and it is very weird to not only see that on Mastodon, but also that you're going around saying it in other places, too. People involved with the project you're working on have a history of making attacks on GrapheneOS, but what I mostly want to focus on is your suggestion because my goal here isn't to get in a back-and-forth with you or convince you…

> Without a secure element, a 6 digit PIN is no longer secure and can be bruteforced.

Thanks for providing an actual example which we can use as a realistic reference.

Right now such device can run OSs which ship first party spyware. If GrapheneOS supported those devices, they’d be usable with an OS without that spyware, which is a net improvement. The security issue of “a PIN can be brute-forced” exists regardless of OS.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by mbananasynergy »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #523
mbananasynergy wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the community manager for GrapheneOS. That isn't what happened, and it is very weird to not only see that on Mastodon, but also that you're going around saying it in other places, too. People involved with the project you're working on have a history of making attacks on GrapheneOS, but what I mostly want to focus on is your suggestion because my goal here isn't to get in a back-and-forth with you or convince you…

> Without a secure element, a 6 digit PIN is no longer secure and can be bruteforced. Thanks for providing an actual example which we can use as a realistic reference. Right now such device can run OSs which ship first party spyware. If GrapheneOS supported those devices, they’d be usable with an OS without that spyware, which is a net improvement. The security issue of “a PIN can be brute-forced” exists regardless o…

It has always been the goal of the project to provide security and privacy features while maintaining usability. People are expected to acquire a device to use GrapheneOS rather than us supporting as many devices as possible where we cannot offer the same protections.

We're hoping to have a non-Pixel device that actually meets the projects requirements in the near future, potentially. Our requirements aren't exotic and OEMs are confirming that they're well within their capabilities. We'll focus on working with OEMs interested in shipping secure devices in order to expand our offerings, which should offer more choices for potential users as well.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stiray »

palata wrote: post #487
stiray wrote: post #485

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Good for you, I was also doing it when I was a kid. Actually was even cooking roms and removing everything that I didn't need. Then I got my first banking app and was decompiling it on each new version, removing checks for root, "compatibility" and security checks, and compiling it back. Then another app came, this time for public transport, and I was reversing two apps, once every 2-3 months. Became quite efficient…

Either you can't stay on-topic, or you don't actually know what ROMs like /e/OS or CalyxOS are. They don't require any work: you can buy a phone running one of them and use it just like you use a normal Android. If anything, it's probably closer to Stock ROMs than GrapheneOS is. I am not interested in your complaints, really. I was interested in your take about the privacy issues on other custom ROMs, but it really f…

Sure you are not interested in my complaints and I am not interested in arguing with another fanboy (there is wealth of knowledge on the internet and I am sure you are able to google a bit - but then there is no arguing with me, so no point in doing that, right?), had one IlikeKitties enough for a year. If you are interested, install GrapheneOS and compare it, and in worse case, argue with yourself.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by userbinator »

fastball wrote: post #375
userbinator wrote: post #139

When unscrewed, users are likely to be greeted with an option to remove the battery as well as it isn’t attached to the device with the help of glue but rather with additional screws. What a horrible state of things that "not gluing the battery in place but screwing it in" is considered an improvement. IMHO smartphones have been on a horrible decline ever since ~2016. Before then, most Androids had [1] easily replace…

Do you think they're screwing it in for fun? I'd rather my phone be more robust than worry about unscrewing a couple more screws when I need to replace the battery (hopefully a rare occurrence anyway). I don't know anyone that carried around spare batteries like in that ad, so although a good ad it doesn't really speak to customer usage. I'd also like my phone to be as-waterproof-as-possible, and am willing to sacrif…

They're doing it because they don't know better, or are deliberately ignorant to a generation of actually better designs.

Waterproofing wasn't a feature people needed before the marketing told them they did.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by fragmede »

userbinator wrote: post #526
fastball wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think they're screwing it in for fun? I'd rather my phone be more robust than worry about unscrewing a couple more screws when I need to replace the battery (hopefully a rare occurrence anyway). I don't know anyone that carried around spare batteries like in that ad, so although a good ad it doesn't really speak to customer usage. I'd also like my phone to be as-waterproof-as-possible, and am willing to sacrif…

They're doing it because they don't know better, or are deliberately ignorant to a generation of actually better designs. Waterproofing wasn't a feature people needed before the marketing told them they did.

Ah yes, people. The group of users that famously doesn't interact with liquids in their day to day lives and needed to be told that they wanted to be able to spill a drink or soup on their phone and not have it break, or drop it into the toilet, pool, lake or river and not have it break.

https://xkcd.com/641/ is true, but smartphones and liquids isn't that.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by trizuz »

stiray wrote: post #265

I am still waiting for Fairphone and Graphene OS collaboration. This is match made in heaven. Any Fairphone/GrapheneOS developer reading this? Just do it, document if something is not secure enough for you, but do it. Nothing to think about, you fit together like hand and a glove and any seconds thoughts are depriving the planet of THE PHONE! Pick the cash we will throw at you and make second generation with the cpu…

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by Pfeil »

imp0cat wrote: post #225
Pfeil wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading this on my Fairphone 5 and can't reproduce this issue. But I admit that sometimes I just want to see the lock screen and accidentally unlock the phone. Therefore, I still agree. The back is the better position for the fingerprint reader.

Can you use double tap to wake when you just need to check the screen? This will also reduce the mechanical stress on the physical unlock button.

Not sure if there was an option, but I would not want to enable it anyway. I want to avoid baby fingers to enable the screen ;) I remember I enabled it with my previous phone, though, so could work for some.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by thorio »

Reading all the comments here about small phones and after recently receiving Google's info about my pixel 6As battery downgrade I took a look at Unihertz again and they apparently made a pretty good looking new 5G model "jelly max".

What do you guys think? Should we give it as go? Apparently it's funded via s Kickstarter...

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