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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by mc3301 »

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t wrote: post #88
jack_pp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's about planned obsolescence. It's about cutting costs and having one less hole water can get in. Also wired headphones are a very niche market. If you care so much there are wireless DACs that can feed your wired headphones better than any phone in history.

> It's about cutting costs and having one less hole water can get in. That's a lazy excuse. Every single IP68 rugged phone has a headphone jack. And the ones that are more waterproof even made for diving with them also have one.

Blackview n6000 has no headphone jack.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by codedokode »

illiac786 wrote: post #128
bombela wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The removal of the phone jack is so obviously planned obsolescence, it is ironic that this project for sustainability follows the trend. Wired headphones still have better sound quality. Don't need charging. Don't break with software update. But because of that it means less consumption. Think about how insane it is that companies can remove the phone jack and glue in the battery with the very obvious goal of planned…

No, that’s not planned obsolescence. Why would it become obsolete faster due to the lack of a phone jack? Not delivering updates, that’s planned obsolescence. I do agree however, that a jack is nice. Wired USB-C headphone do exist though, if you insist on wired.I am not an audiophile, wouldn’t that provide an even better sound quality potentially (digital to analog conversion happens later, not distortions due to cab…

Wireless headphones use lossy compression, so the sound is of worse quality. Also some of them use low bitrate profiles like 256 kbit or even 128 kbit to get longer battery life. Also as I understand they are a pain to use because you need to charge them daily.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by MostlyStable »

tho234234234234 wrote: post #154
bombela wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The removal of the phone jack is so obviously planned obsolescence, it is ironic that this project for sustainability follows the trend. Wired headphones still have better sound quality. Don't need charging. Don't break with software update. But because of that it means less consumption. Think about how insane it is that companies can remove the phone jack and glue in the battery with the very obvious goal of planned…

Two yen: buy Sony phones before Xperia gets shutdown. Sony obsesses about sound quality to the extent that they try to develop specialized solder materials (!) for the DAC-Jack pathway. Bonus: Sony's AOSP program also releases images, and even oddballs like Sailfish release images spec. for Sony devices.

I've almost pulled the trigger on a Sony phone multiple times specifically because they are the last non-camera-cutout, headphone jack phone on the market. Unfortunately, they don't work on Google Fi, and I don't (quite) care enough to switch my carrier for it....but I'm really close.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by MostlyStable »

beeflet wrote: post #140
bombela wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The removal of the phone jack is so obviously planned obsolescence, it is ironic that this project for sustainability follows the trend. Wired headphones still have better sound quality. Don't need charging. Don't break with software update. But because of that it means less consumption. Think about how insane it is that companies can remove the phone jack and glue in the battery with the very obvious goal of planned…

>Wired headphones still have better sound quality I don't know about that, I still get analog noise all the time. Maybe it's just due to using a cheap DAC? They also sell wireless earbuds and headphones with replaceable batteries. I think the solution is to ship wireless earphones with a usb-c capability, and ship smartphones with multiple usb ports.

A more accurate statement would have been "you can get better sound quality out of wired headphones at every price point". But you definitely aren't guaranteed to get better quality.

However much money you are willing to spend on headphones, with a tiny bit of research, you will find a wired option with dramatically better quality.

But also, the very low end of wired headphones are truly, truly abysmal, but getting wireless at those price-points is just literally impossible.

$20 is enough to get pretty decent sound quality (better than my ~$100 Samsung Galaxy Buds)

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by 9283409232 »

craftkiller wrote: post #148
9283409232 wrote: post #74

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I remember them saying that. I would've hoped Fairphone would up their hardware security standards since then.

From a couple days ago: > It's not feasible for Fairphone to make a device meeting our requirements any time soon. https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114711328082841462

Curious who the OEM they are talking to is.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by jack_pp »

nialv7 wrote: post #149
jack_pp wrote: post #138

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Sony tried to compete with the best camera, best DAC and I don't think those phones sold. Manufacturers build products the market wants. Wired headphones are not what the market wants. If you are a true purist you buy stuff from fiio and carry more then one device. This is the same thing as with small phones. A vocal minority cried far and wide that they wanted them. Apple made them.. and they did, not, sell.

I don't know if you meant it but you seem to imply that that vocal minority only cried but didn't buy the small phones? You know a minority is a _minority_, even if everyone in that minority bought a iPhone Mini, the sales number is still not going to be high. (Edit: just checked, in 2022, 3% of iPhones sold were 13 Minis. not high but surely someone out there can run a sustainable business out of that 3% of mobile p…

There is a market, fiio is capitalizing on it.

https://www.fiio.com/utws1

I remember seeing something like this for over ear, you just stream tidal to them so there shouldn't be compression issues. Might be a delay idk.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by SECProto »

tho234234234234 wrote: post #154
bombela wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The removal of the phone jack is so obviously planned obsolescence, it is ironic that this project for sustainability follows the trend. Wired headphones still have better sound quality. Don't need charging. Don't break with software update. But because of that it means less consumption. Think about how insane it is that companies can remove the phone jack and glue in the battery with the very obvious goal of planned…

Two yen: buy Sony phones before Xperia gets shutdown. Sony obsesses about sound quality to the extent that they try to develop specialized solder materials (!) for the DAC-Jack pathway. Bonus: Sony's AOSP program also releases images, and even oddballs like Sailfish release images spec. for Sony devices.

I just took a look and the most recent Xperia looks to be 3x the (already high) cost of a Fairphone 6? I buy my phones outright and that is quite prohibitive.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stronglikedan »

stavros wrote: post #39
godelski wrote: post #35

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Hold your phone. Where does your index finger sit?

Are we talking about holding the phone, or about taking it out of my pocket? Because, for the latter, my fingers are on the sides, including on the power button.

I'd say you're in the minority then and most people would have their fingers on the front and back while pulling it out due to pocket physics (they don't get wider, but they get deeper).

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by lttlrck »

codedokode wrote: post #158
godelski wrote: post #7

They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back

How you can ensure that your fingerprints are not sent somewhere (and your face model when using Face ID)?

You can say the same thing about a PIN code.

Edit: oooof I missed the point entirely. Sorry.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by codedokode »

lttlrck wrote: post #169
codedokode wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How you can ensure that your fingerprints are not sent somewhere (and your face model when using Face ID)?

You can say the same thing about a PIN code. Edit: oooof I missed the point entirely. Sorry.

PIN code is worthless, what will you use it for if you don't have my phone? While fingerprints and 3D face scan will always find a buyer, for example, the government.
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