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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by GeekyBear »

exe34 wrote: post #414
ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

> that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear hopefully the US turning from leader of the free world to Russia's tool will give them the kick they need to realise that just because you trust the government now doesn't mean you trust the next government or the one after it.

You probably don't want to look up which US President tried to force Apple to insert an encryption back door into iPhones back in 2015.

However, Google did only start moving to protect location data from subpoenas after people started to worry that location data could be used as a legal weapon against women who went to an abortion clinic, so your larger point stands.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by callc »

fdb345 wrote: post #428
jahewson wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of the U.K., they can throw you in jail for not handing over your encryption key, so it’s a moot point. They’ve been slowly expanding this power for twenty years now.

ive been through all this with the law. no one ever got jailed for not handing over encryption keys unless they were a definitive criminal and theres strong evidence there is criminal data on the device. they tried this with me (NCA) but the judge wouldnt sign off as they had nothning on me or my device. this did however REALLY want to access it! fuck them. pricks

Ah yes, the “we have all the power but pinky promise to only use it on the bad guys” playbook. I have complete confidence and trust in that promise. /s

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by mihaaly »

nobankai wrote: post #464
Ylpertnodi wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you definitively know?

In the case of Linux Mint, I can check the commit history, build the software myself and even validate it against public checksums. It is expressly defended against these types of attacks, making it an odd choice to single out.

Isn't it already a law violation using it in certain scenarios? Or will be soon?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by smsm42 »

ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

It's not literacy. They don't care. They need control, and if establishing control means increased risks for you, it's not something they see as a negative factor. It's your problem, not theirs.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by draw_down »

deelowe wrote: post #482
IceHegel wrote: post #430

I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

Then Vance should do something about the 5 eyes which is likely the source of this sort of thing.

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by stoobs »

okeuro49 wrote: post #354
nomilk wrote: post #341

Wow - how sad. To think the 2nd highest scoring post ever on hacker news is Apple's 2016 A Message to Our Customers . A display of intelligence, morality and courage under great pressure: https://hn.algolia.com How things have changed. > In a statement Apple said it was "gravely disappointed" So are we, Apple. So are we.

Apple did the right thing. I would much rather they were transparent, so that people can move services, rather than build a backdoor in secret, to appease the far-left Labour government.

Oh stop with "far left" nonsense, none of our main political parties are much further than slightly left or right of centrist.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by mihaaly »

-__---____-ZXyw wrote: post #487

Workers in tech jobs over the past few decades are the ones who are primarily to blame for the total degradation of the very notion of privacy, and our societies are, I think, reaping the consequences of this now in many ways. This story didn't spring up out of nowhere, like a monster from under the bed. It's been a gradual decline since, let's say, the 90s or so. I don't want to be vulgar, but the people who underst…

Easier to push away the blame for a foot soldier, claiming to do things on orders or claiming to be absolutely f clueless where it leads, one is worse than the other. Thousands had to make this work and function as it is.

Still, this is a different topic than the government use of law enforcement for preserving the shity situation that was built by the industry and its actors just when the trend becomes of fixing what was made to be crap, just when people want to correct the f up of the ignorant collaborants.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by EchoReflection »

ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

"it's hardly likely that pedo rings or rape gangs will be top of the list of priorities".... is this not one of the most disturbing, disgusting, psychologically troubling and damning ideas ever to be put to words/brought to awareness? . Right up there "let's meticulously plan out this horrific, atrocious, dehumanizing act and meditate upon the consequences, and then choose the most brutal and villainous option". Dear Lord....
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