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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by fho »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #403
CM30 wrote: post #319

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Yeah, earning money for posting on a service like this sounds good at first, but it's often a magnet for folks that don't really care about contributing to the platform beyond that. These usually fall into 2 categories: 1. Hustlers and schemers, who want to get rich quick (usually the folks that like spam, blackhat SEO and 'hustle culture'). 2. Folks in 3rd world countries who see this as a ticket out of poverty. The…

>Having it also cost money to use the site will help a bit, but it'll also filter out many good users due to not wanting to spend money on a subscription from my experience, there will be a LOT more ne'er do wells being filtered than good users. Not because there aren't a lot of good users, but simply because there are a lot more low effort ne'er do wells attracted to internet forums. Other users can still browse at…

> Because ofc the highest quality users aren't posting their ideas on public forums at all

I don't think that's true. I published some of my privat projects only on reddit because I want to put them out there, but do not expect people to interact too much.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by janandonly »

There is a platform that has some similar ideas, it's called Stacker News. I especially like the idea of splitting income between the builers/hosters and posters and voters of posts.

Furthermore, each comment under a post can earn by being upvoted.

See: https://stacker.news/faq

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by sunderw »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #450
jodrellblank wrote: post #356

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It reads to me like: > " [your subscription fee over my $1 take] gets split evenly between everything you upvote that month. " So if I subscribe and pay $2/month, there's $1/month from me for that, so if I upvote ten things they each get $0.03 from me and if I upvote a ten things a day that's three hundred in a month, they each get $0.0033 from me. I'm not clear if that covers comments or only top level submissions /…

Maybe the solution is to weight upvotes by the number of upvotes cast that month in the "subreddit" If there are 100K upvotes per month in some small city sub, and 100B in the videos sub, getting 1K upvotes in the city sub would would be the equivalent of 1B in the videos sub (in terms of your distribution) This would encourage people to participate in smaller communities, which could be really nice for keeping the "…

That's an interesting idea. It would need some kind of tweaking for low values otherwise it would be exploitable to generate as much revenue from a 10 people sub then from a bigger one.

> This would encourage people to participate in smaller communities, which could be really nice for keeping the "small town" vibe of early reddit.

Couldn't it also cause a fragmentation of content across different same-ish subs ?

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by krageon »

dbcurtis wrote: post #60
idiotsecant wrote: post #32

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

I really do love the idea. But in addition to the moderation risks others have mentioned, are you prepared to issue tax documents to every jurisdiction where you might be rendering payments?

In every jurisdiction where tax exists a receipt would suffice, which even the most ghetto payment implementation will have (it being the case that the receipt is essentially how the total is made).

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by opportune »

bardak wrote: post #278
sosodev wrote: post #115

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That's just the average internet user. They want something for nothing and often get it. If you do ask for a few dollars a month you have to provide a ton of perceived value. That's despite the fact that they would spend it on snacks without hesitation.

Look at the vitriol that YouTube premium gets. I get it there are a lot of people that know how to have an ad free YouTube without paying. I don't like that some basic app features like background video playing are locked behind premium. But at the end of the day the I am sure that for a large portion of people complaining they spent the majority of their video watching time watching YouTube. If it's not worth it to…

A lot of that must come from actual children with no easy way of paying. The value prop is so obvious for any adult spending considerable time on the site that’s not in actual poverty that I doubt the vitriol is coming from them.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by krageon »

Lk7Of3vfJS2n wrote: post #463
jjcm wrote: post #194

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> do you have any long-term plans to IPO this if it becomes successful? If not, some kind of guarantee that this platform is immune to enshittification would probably be very, very popular. This is a solid call out. Part of me wants to keep things private in order to maintain the "user is the customer" alignment. One issue with going public is it then means shareholders become your primary customer, with your users b…

Please make it possible to pay without a credit card. I want to support the site but without sacrificing privacy or anonymity.

Literally the only way to have those things and still give money is to support monero, which is a giant pita for a first draft. Creditcards and other major payment gateways are very easy. If you're serious about services offering such things, you should think about offering such an easy payment integration for folks that maintain services.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by krageon »

janandonly wrote: post #522

There is a platform that has some similar ideas, it's called Stacker News. I especially like the idea of splitting income between the builers/hosters and posters and voters of posts. Furthermore, each comment under a post can earn by being upvoted. See: https://stacker.news/faq

I think non.io is significantly more accessible and less fringe than stacker.news, which is very heavy on the "love crypto" thing and appears to be a bastion for fairly fringe right-wing thinking. It's so coloured by cultural dogma I would at least not join it out of hand, until it becomes a little more palatable. The people there are not inviting.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by krageon »

bowenjin wrote: post #351
McAtNite wrote: post #217

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I may be wrong, but I believe this is how the subreddit already works. They set a total amount of crypto to be released, and it goes in proportion to the total number of upvotes you receive in comparison to others in a given time window. I think the approaches are largely identical with the exception of the crypto vs direct fiat.

The difference is that the non.io model rewards more for upvotes from people who have a high bar for upvoting and upvote rarely.

To be clear, this is an entirely different model with a different incentive structure from the other one under discussion. It will not have the same issues. You don't want majority appeal, rather you want niche appeal. The more people like primarily your post and nothing else, the more valuable the upvotes become.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Yizahi »

I suggest decluttering main view. Hide all tags or make them visually hidden (e.g. grey on white, no outlines etc.), also make a headline at the top, and all the service metadata like date, comment counter, author name at the bottom and to the side. Also as a nice to have next improvements make actual fixed categories/subreddits/subforums thing. Because used based tags doesn't work at all at scale. At best they are a secondary thing helping in search and used by 0.1% of all users. Categories should be more fixed, maybe initially user created but not changing (existing ones).

Otherwise you will get an endless scroll of doom/memes page with everything dumped there, and we already have tons of networks in such format - facebook, twitter etc.

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