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Post by sydd »

nevi-me wrote: post #509
sliken wrote: post #435

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I got a late model MBP 16" i9. Zoom, Teams video confs, backups, and anything else even mildly intensive and it would ramp up to impressively loud levels, enough for people in the next room to ask what the noise was.

I had a laptop that did that (got people noticing), I went to IT a few times to tell them that something was wrong with my laptop, as colleagues' were a bit quieter. I wish that I'd have been more firm with getting a replacement. I now have tinnitus after a year of a really loud laptop. I'm in my early 30s. I can't even tolerate my desktop with relatively quiet fans. One day in the office, I shutdown my laptop for th…

hmm while I do believe that your laptop is pretty loud, I seriusly doubt that it could damage your hearing. Ear damage occurs over 90-100 decibels, this is akin to leaning close to a loud vacuum and magnitudes greater than any laptop.

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Post by ryanmcbride »

coder543 wrote: post #214
ryanmcbride wrote: post #185

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Wait really? I was using 2 external displays alongside the built in desplay on my m1 just a few days ago. Or is it a limitation only with m1 mb airs?

> on my m1 just a few days ago M1 != M1 Pro/Max/Ultra. If you have an M1 Pro or M1 Max or M1 Ultra, that is not "[your] m1". Each chip has significantly different capabilities in a number of aspects. As far as display support goes, M1 = 1 external display[0] M1 Pro = 2 external displays M1 Max = 4 external displays (3 USB-C + 1 HDMI)[1] [0]: the exception is the M1 Mac Mini, which doesn't have an internal display, so…

Got it, I thought they were saying it was a limitation of the chip not the specific laptop they had. Thanks for the clarification!

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by emu »

skohan wrote: post #420
shepherdjerred wrote: post #408

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Single threaded performance is very useful for gaming, but I agree that the M1 is so fast that anything faster is just a bonus.

Which games can you even play on a mac?

I enjoyed playing Stellaris on my MacBook M1 pro on a transcontinental flight last night. 4x games work well for passing the time!

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Post by smoldesu »

paulmd wrote: post #406
smoldesu wrote: post #167

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> When AMD is on 5nm this year, we can re-assess and see whether that was the driving factor, or whether there are design reasons as well. Quick note: AMD's 5nm offerings will not be using a big.LITTLE configuration, so direct comparison with the M1 would probably not be very accurate for the purposes of comparing power consumption.

And Intel has big.LITTLE but they're not using TSMC nodes. Apple comparisons run on OSX or Asahi Linux, which doesn't run x86, so the software/ecosystem is different. Etc etc. No comparison is ever perfect, you'll just have to take the best data we have and run with it. Complaining that a study isn't exactly perfect is trite, once you get beyond the "junior scientist makes obvious methodological error" tier it's hone…

I definitely agree that there are reliable tests here (your suggested IPC count is "good enough" for these purposes), but the majority of benchmarking between these two machines wouldn't yield much of a comparison at all. I don't think it's unreasonable to annotate that comparing these chips directly is fools errand, especially since Apple has demonstrated that themselves with their own M1 benchmarking/graph fiascos.

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Post by sliken »

criddell wrote: post #467
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Asahi linux has most things working, except the accelerated GPU. Just in the last week or so a triangle was rendered, so progress is has been made. Sadly while apple has 128 bit wide memory on the low end (66-100GB/sec on the mac mini and mba), 256 bit wide (200GB/sec), 512 bits wide (400GB/sec), and 1024 bits wide (800GB/sec). Nothing wider than 128 bits looks to be coming to standard laptops or desktops in the non-…

Asahi Linux is, for me, the most interesting thing going on in Linux these days.

Agreed. I'd likely have a studio today if the GPU port worked, but unless it comes out RSN I'd likely wait for the M2 based studio to come out. The chip has other magic inside as well. I'm hoping Linux continues to implement support for the MatMul instruction (not just vector multiplies), 16 trillion op neural engine, various encode/decode video accelerators, etc. I've heard vague references to compressed swap to help make the most of limited ram (m1 limit was 16GB).

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Post by rashkov »

mikepurvis wrote: post #209
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I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

Yeah my 15” xps was pretty bad too. Coworker and I both had this issue where one key press would result in the same letter being typed twice. Coworker sent his machine back several times but never got that fixed. I just used an external keyboard most of the time. Besides that, my machine’s battery ultimately puffed up and made the trackpad impossible to click.

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Post by babypuncher »

seabriez wrote: post #488
anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

LMAO yeah 8 GB - 256 Laptop for $1200 is "killing it;" duping consumers definitely from day 1.

Go find an x86 laptop that gets the same performance and battery life in a similar form factor for less than $1200

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Post by smoldesu »

gwbas1c wrote: post #229
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Counterpoint: M2 is a tock release, not a tick. This is pretty much the same behavior that ended up getting Intel shot in the foot: leaning too heavily on marginal performance increases from process enhancement will bite you in the butt when your competitors get their tech on your node. Intel and AMD are both going to be on 5nm in 2023, Apple should be pretty worried if this is what they're fighting with. 3nm isn't e…

Spend a few minutes talking with someone who designs hardware. Often when they release something, there are TONs of incremental improvements that they just didn't have time to get to when a new product is released. I remember having a conversation with someone who worked on hard drives in the 80s. He got so ^%$^$# excited telling me about all the improvements he worked on between generations; they were mostly things…

This comment sounds like the exact same hopium I heard about Intel in 2016. I get what you're saying, and there are definitely smaller changes packed in here, but my point is that Apple's performance crown is looking mighty easy to usurp right about now. Hell, they even showed a graph with the i7 1280p beating the M2's single-core performance by ~20% at the WWDC today; they know they're on notice.

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Post by DRW_ »

godelski wrote: post #485

Why does the 13" Pro have a 720p camera and the Air have a 1080p? Seriously, why is Apple still putting in 720p cameras? This has to be a mistake, right? Edit: Also the pro is missing the magsafe charger. Are they phasing out the 13" pro? Pro: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Air: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-m2/specs/

That Pro is the old design. It's just Apple's usual thing of keeping an old design of a product around to serve some kind of gap they see in their market - it creates a confusing product lineup because this means you have:

New Macbook Air: New design & M2 chip

New Macbook Pro 13": Old design & M2 chip

Macbook Pro 14" & 16": New design & M1 Pro/Max chips

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