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As an engineer, I'm not concerned with "mere prospects". I'm concerned with what is actually effective.

Wow, what kind of work do you do if you are unable to ever act without having 110% of the information? You can't be building anything, that's for sure.

Very telling you responded to this thread but not the other.

Are you ready to finally admit you were mistaken about covid vs influenza mortality in children? And to retract your slanderous statements that I was "lying", "spreading propaganda"?

I know it's much easier to snipe at me with snide comments like the one above. If that's all that you're interested in, rather than a substantive discussion, well, that wouldn't surprise me given the totality of our interaction over the past few days.

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> Several hundred thousand people could have been saved in the US if these measures had been taken seriously That is baseless speculation. > Social distancing, closing schools, etc. were proven methods that showed the difference between cities with horrible losses and much better outcomes for the Spanish Flu. Where is the source? And that was a completely different disease, which had the worst outcomes for young peop…

With a world population of 7.9 bio, global COVID deaths of 4.55 mio, a U.S. population of 328.2 mio, and U.S. COVID deaths of 661 k, the U.S. has ~4.4% of the world population, yet >14% of the COVID deaths. Even if the U.S. had managed to simply reach the average of the world of 0.058% mortality, i.e. competing against such beacons of healthcare and wealth as the Congo, the U.S. outcome would have been a mere 190k, i…

The dataset on Covid is so wildly incomplete to invalidate the objectivity of your entire argument.

> competing against such beacons of healthcare and wealth as the Congo

The Democratic Republic of the Congo has had 1.23 deaths per 100k population from Covid [1]. Why do you think the US has 200x deaths per population than the DRC ?

> Unless you're suggesting that U.S. Americans are somehow inherently inferior to people in other countries

Yes people are not all the same, and those different factors effect outcomes. The US has a large populations that are elderly, chronically sick, urban, highly mobile etc, were tested for covid, etc.

Saying hundreds of thousands of people could have been saved in the US is highly speculative.

1. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Have any actual rebuttal to the statistics I'm posting? Or are you just going to keep blowing hot air? I assume you're embarrassed that you're so confused about the data.

Your lies started with the mortality claims that are easily debunked with a 5s Google search, and you spewing these lies already frames everything else you’re saying afterwards. For your second point, after you torture what the article actually says into a alleged national policy of the UK, I suggest you read up on exponential growth. It reminds me of the discussions in this country in March 2020, when everything was…

I've gone over the numbers the BBC keeps pushing a while back when another article was posted on HN so I'm not going to repeat myself, but in summary the problem is that these numbers are given as "deaths per population" without taking the number of infections into account. There's also no evidence that children are at a lower risk of developing Long Covid.

Note that these same sources also espouse that children are safe because of their lower infection risk but then go and compare the mortality rate to the entire population to come up with grandiose claims. When looking at the actual official UK numbers (i.e. comparing deaths after a confirmed infection to confirmed infections) child mortality is indeed significantly lower but only by a factor of 10 compared to adults. This paints a far grimmer picture than all this talk about there being a multiple orders of magnitude difference.

It's also worth pointing out that the vaccine supply is limited, so the question of whether children should be vaccinated is one of prioritization. If children already have a low likelihood of infection and have better outcomes than the average adult, it makes more sense to use that vaccine on an adult than a child.

German media also suggests the decision for the German vaccination authority to not recommend a third round of vaccinations at the moment is similarly driven by the idea that it's more important to make sure everyone has some level of immunization than that some people have a very high level of immunization: the goal is to control spread, not to protect individuals. Note that the German authority has greenlit vaccinations for 12+ year olds, so their risk evaluation seems to consider the likelihood of children spreading the virus or potentially developing chronic conditions in the future to be significant enough. Of course you can't compare these risks directly due to differences e.g. in the school systems and pandemic-related accommodations.

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