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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by s1artibartfast »

threeseed wrote: post #482
colordrops wrote: post #453

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Not according to several studies shared by epidemiologists that are parents at my kids' school. The only place they saw spread from children was at schools in Israel early in the pandemic where kids were crammed close together when waiting.

a) There is evidence of children spreading COVID-19, "children under 15 were about half as likely as adults to be infected, and only half as likely as adults to transmit the virus to others". [1] b) In order to have children at school, you need teachers at school. In order to have teachers at school, you need public transport. Suddenly, you have a significant amount of people moving around spreading the virus. [1] ht…

A 75% reduction in transmission is as good as many of the vaccines. It is also below the threshold COVID needs to spread through the population.

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Post by tdfx »

ipaddr wrote: post #402
chii wrote: post #374

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even if the 80 yr old has 20 yrs of life left, it still means that a 16 yr old is worth at least 3 80 yr olds. and the 80 yr olds do not contribute to the economy or work, and is indeed a "burden" (sad to say, but they can't really sustain themselves without external resources, as their economic value output is zero). The 16 yr old will likely contribute to society for 40 years at least. i'm not saying the lockdowns…

The long term damage to those who catch it seems high in many cases including the young. The majority of people getting covid are young so the impact is not understood and not nil. I'm not sure the young are making anywhere near same sacrifice compared to the war effort in terms of lives and limbs and post war mental effects. The really young are the future. Anyone in there late teens and 20s is past that point. The…

> The long term damage to those who catch it seems high in many cases including the young.

> While your generation may struggle with the isolation by preparing the next generation those issues will disappear reaping larger economic benefits.

It feels inconsistent that you're dismissing the long term effects of one potential problem (isolation) while using the potential harm of another (undemonstrated, theoretical long term damage to young people from COVID infection) to argue your point.

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Post by anarticle »

chii wrote: post #374
ipaddr wrote: post #346

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Lockdowns have made a big difference. Places like New Zealand have 0 cases. The half lockdowns have lower but mixed results. An 80 year old has a lot of life in them. Some may have a year or two but others will have 20 or 30 years left.

even if the 80 yr old has 20 yrs of life left, it still means that a 16 yr old is worth at least 3 80 yr olds. and the 80 yr olds do not contribute to the economy or work, and is indeed a "burden" (sad to say, but they can't really sustain themselves without external resources, as their economic value output is zero). The 16 yr old will likely contribute to society for 40 years at least. i'm not saying the lockdowns…

I'm not sure where to start on this comment other than to say this is the most ghoulish thing I've read on hacker news in a long time.

I hope, that if my "economic output" is zero I don't get ground up into protein so I can have a contribution to society.

A token of appreciation from previous generations is the infrastructure built to benefit from. Like say planting a tree, whose economic output might be zero but you can enjoy it long after the person who planted it died. Not everyone that went before you has mortgaged the future to buy a yacht, maybe show some perspective?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by harambae »

heavyset_go wrote: post #211
reaperducer wrote: post #79

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Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

> I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. Certain news sites in my state spent 2020 lamenting about how the lockdown is causing overdose deaths to skyrocket. Well, 2021 rolls around and the 2020 overdose death statistics were calculated, and th…

>2021 rolls around and the 2020 overdose death statistics were calculated, and there were about a dozen more overdose deaths in 2020 than in 2019

Do you have a citation for this? All statistics I have seen are the exact opposite, showing wildly worse OD stats for 2020 than 2019 [0]

Now some synthetic opioid OD stats could be affected by availability and popularity having little to do with COVID, so lets look at a more historically available drug...

"Overdose deaths involving cocaine also increased by 26.5 percent" [0].

How do you explain that one? And it's not that clubs and raves are finding some new popularity, they've been shut down absent a recent and limited subset of Florida towns.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p1218-overdose-death...

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by Griffinsauce »

13415 wrote: post #136
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #123

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How is any of that relevant to a pandemic and isolation?

The way I understand it, GP's thesis was that "think of the children" has always been mostly just a slogan for Christian moralists to prevent "sin" and hasn't involved really thinking about what's best for the children, so there is no contradiction now with this slogan and not caring about the children much during the pandemic, as the OP suggested.

Bingo.

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Post by monocasa »

harambae wrote: post #524
heavyset_go wrote: post #211

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> I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. Certain news sites in my state spent 2020 lamenting about how the lockdown is causing overdose deaths to skyrocket. Well, 2021 rolls around and the 2020 overdose death statistics were calculated, and th…

>2021 rolls around and the 2020 overdose death statistics were calculated, and there were about a dozen more overdose deaths in 2020 than in 2019 Do you have a citation for this? All statistics I have seen are the exact opposite, showing wildly worse OD stats for 2020 than 2019 [0] Now some synthetic opioid OD stats could be affected by availability and popularity having little to do with COVID, so lets look at a mor…

> And it's not that clubs and raves are finding some new popularity

There's been a resurgence in underground raves.

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Post by austincheney »

anoncake wrote: post #507
austincheney wrote: post #491

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If social isolation were a real concern for people they would get off their damn phones and drastically reduce their access to social media. Blaming this entirely on the pandemic is sorely misplaced and not a solution.

And do what instead, meet in person?

Be a damn parent and limit your child's access to screens generally and social media specifically.

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Post by monocasa »

nradov wrote: post #510
olliej wrote: post #429

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Because lockdowns only work if you actually lockdown. That and yes, FL clearly lied and has fired people for indicating correct numbers. This is not helped by many US states that try to record CV19 deaths as being due to "underlying conditions" instead of covid. If you go to hospital due to covid, and then die, whatever other conditions you have aren't relevant, covid is what killed you.

People who claim the Florida state government is lying are no different from QAnon conspiracy theorists. Where is your hard data? What are the real numbers? Where are they hiding the bodies?

Did you miss that whole "police raids of epidemiologists who don't want to edit the data" thing that happened in Florida?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/07/florida-poli...

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Post by pmiller2 »

vesinisa wrote: post #304
pmiller2 wrote: post #291

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Bingo. Schools in the US are usually funded by property taxes, which leads to all the effects you just named.

Thank you. This makes it so much easier to understand more about the US public school system and how it is sometimes portrayed as piss poor (season four of The Wire pops to mind). Is this something that is being discussed on a wider policy level? I believe it's a universally agreed upon fact that the quality of primary education is the single most important factor in helping people escape poverty. This should work eq…

I think the downvotes on our comments should tell you how extensively it's being discussed.

It's not. The people actually running things like it that way.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by matthewdgreen »

rajin444 wrote: post #275
matthewdgreen wrote: post #206

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Florida is currently facing a $2-$3 billion tax shortfall (numbers vary depending on the time of projection [0]) and California is facing a budget surplus [1]. There are details around this like one-off capital gains and tax rates and budget cuts, but the overall story is that FL had a slightly higher death rate than CA in exchange for an overall economy that isn't doing so well. Some of this is due to the fact that…

Will you adjust your priors after seeing death rates between California and Florida are roughly the same?

They're not the same, Florida is higher. But overall Florida seems to be an outlier among the "low restriction" states and California seems to be an outlier among the "high restriction" states. A better approach would be to average the groups of states that took different approaches, and maybe also try to normalize by other confounders like population density. This is probably a better approach because there might be other pandemics in the future that are way deadlier, and we should actually know what works and what doesn't.
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