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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by threeseed »

frockington1 wrote: post #499
threeseed wrote: post #481

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You need to put it in the context of over 500,000 Americans dead from COVID. A proportion of which are directly and indirectly caused by the behaviour of young people. So yes mental health of children is important but for many people not as important as staggering numbers of people dying.

That context makes it seem worse. We are making children lose an entire year of education because 0.1% of Americans died, most of which are old and fat. Should we shut down every year for obesity?

Most of them aren’t losing a year of education. Just face to face education.

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Post by frockington1 »

threeseed wrote: post #501
frockington1 wrote: post #499

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That context makes it seem worse. We are making children lose an entire year of education because 0.1% of Americans died, most of which are old and fat. Should we shut down every year for obesity?

Most of them aren’t losing a year of education. Just face to face education.

Test scores are plummeting, particularly math. Damage like this will snowball for years

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Post by Amezarak »

reaperducer wrote: post #79
monocasa wrote: post #30

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They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

> Having to stay home for a year is nothing — absolutely nothing — compared with what children had to deal with during previous social upheavals (world wars, and the like).

Suicide rates actually dropped during the world wars. People are able to handle war much better than social isolation.

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Post by [deleted] »

gizmo wrote: post #495
bumbada wrote: post #486

It is really nothing particular about schools. In Spain the first day schools were closed children started playing on the streets, or playing basketball and soccer(you can play soccer anywhere). They were quite happy doing that. Then the authorities said: No, no no! Kids must stay in house all day, closed all public spaces, something contranature for kids. It was the get "in house", secluded, don't do anything social…

> You can go in a bus or car with mask if people don't talk and introduce air from the outside. Don't talk don't breathe wear two masks don't leave the house we're all gonna die. In reality kids are not an at-risk group and there used to be a healthcare maxim "first, do no harm". When did it become OK to hurt one group (young healthy people) in exchange for hypothetical benefits to another group?

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Post by anoncake »

croes wrote: post #134
anoncake wrote: post #117

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Our species has evolved to deal with deaths. Social isolation goes against human nature, it's a lot more harmful than any pandemic.

BTW it's not social but physical distancing. You can be as social as you want, just not so much physical contacts.

Don't expect me to use your euphemisms. Even if you, personally, don't need real human contact.

Mass deaths aren't particularly more traumatizing than individual ones. You don't know these people anyway.

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Post by anoncake »

gizmo wrote: post #495
bumbada wrote: post #486

It is really nothing particular about schools. In Spain the first day schools were closed children started playing on the streets, or playing basketball and soccer(you can play soccer anywhere). They were quite happy doing that. Then the authorities said: No, no no! Kids must stay in house all day, closed all public spaces, something contranature for kids. It was the get "in house", secluded, don't do anything social…

> You can go in a bus or car with mask if people don't talk and introduce air from the outside. Don't talk don't breathe wear two masks don't leave the house we're all gonna die. In reality kids are not an at-risk group and there used to be a healthcare maxim "first, do no harm". When did it become OK to hurt one group (young healthy people) in exchange for hypothetical benefits to another group?

The trolley problem also used to be controversial. Now it's:

A trolley is running towards a single 80-year old. If you do pull a trigger, it will instead kill an unknown number of people, including children.

If you don't, you're a monster.

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Post by anoncake »

austincheney wrote: post #491
silvi9 wrote: post #391

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Gen Z today are becoming increasingly more isolated; the long-term effects of this are yet to be known and could be serious. But it angers me that this is often an issue that's overlooked, especially when it's such a prevalent one. It's truly disturbing to think of the little regard there is for the mental health of young people, especially in an age fraught with enough social isolation as it is. Gen Z will be foreve…

If social isolation were a real concern for people they would get off their damn phones and drastically reduce their access to social media. Blaming this entirely on the pandemic is sorely misplaced and not a solution.

And do what instead, meet in person?

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Post by nradov »

olliej wrote: post #427
usaar333 wrote: post #386

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3% CFR, not IFR. Even Spain hit only a 1.2% IFR early in the pandemic ( https://covid19-projections.com/about/#assumptions ) The worst-case realistic number of deaths for the US is around 1.2 million. With hospital collapses, maybe double that. 10 million is not possible.

I'm fairly certain that the "only" 6 digit death rate we've currently had has had a negative impact on the families and friends of the affected. If you have been left untouched by it, then good for you, but you shouldn't be assuming that that applies to everyone. The mortality rate in the US is 1.8%. That is 542k dead out of 29.8 million cases. That's nearly 30 million cases with all the lockdowns, mask rules, etc. E…

Your numbers are incorrect. The case numbers are meaningless because there have been so many infections that were never officially counted as cases. Antibody seroprevalence studies have shown that the true number of cases is 2 or 3 times higher.

Schools in Florida have been open for months and they aren't overwhelmed.

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Post by decafninja »

ryandrake wrote: post #463
danaliv wrote: post #389

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> the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others Oh my god, this. When the pandemic is over, I’ll be left with the knowledge that a significant fraction of the people around me at any given moment wouldn’t lift a finger for someone else if it meant even the slightest inconvenience or discomfort for them. I don’t know how to recover from that.

In the past, people went off to war and some of them literally died for their country. Today, people won’t even so much as wear a little piece of cloth on their face while shopping for their khakis. We are doomed if the next COVID is 20x deadlier.

I've heard the semi-joke that if this generation was the one involved in WWII, Americans (and many others in Europe and Asia) would be speaking deutsch or nihongo today.

Man in the High Castle, I suppose.

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Post by nradov »

olliej wrote: post #429
JoshuaDavid wrote: post #399

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So do you think Florida is lying and underestimating the number of COVID deaths to greater extent than California is, or the California is exaggerating the number of COVID deaths, or maybe that there's a difference in behavior between Floridians and Californians (maybe California had stricter laws but Floridians act more responsibly in terms of disease prevention). If you don't have such an explanation, and Californi…

Because lockdowns only work if you actually lockdown. That and yes, FL clearly lied and has fired people for indicating correct numbers. This is not helped by many US states that try to record CV19 deaths as being due to "underlying conditions" instead of covid. If you go to hospital due to covid, and then die, whatever other conditions you have aren't relevant, covid is what killed you.

People who claim the Florida state government is lying are no different from QAnon conspiracy theorists. Where is your hard data? What are the real numbers? Where are they hiding the bodies?
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