Live data from Hacker News

YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

forbes.com

521–530 of 783 posts

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#521
When I see such things two conclusions come to my mind:

1. The developers of tools like youtube-dl are the good guys, those at Google are the bad guys. There's no other way to put it. If you force all of the creators on your platform into a "partner program" that slaps ads on all of their videos, even if they don't want to, and you take all of their revenue away, knowing that creators won't leave you anyway because you're the biggest player in the market that provides them with access to the widest audience, then you're hurting both creators and consumers for your personal profit, while abusing your dominant position. On top of it, they take away the revenue generated by content created by someone else, just like a century-old music major would do, and when you put things in perspective (small YouTube channel that struggles to make a few hundred bucks per month vs. gargantuan corporation that belongs to the exclusive trillion dollar club) you realize how expectedly and banally greedy evil the former "don't be evil" company has become. And instead of listening to all the cries for changing their business model, Google is simply trying to force the world to swallow their outdated ads-based business model, proving that, after all, they're nothing more than a mediocre ads company, not a tech company that still likes to risk and innovate. In the face of so much evil piracy isn't only a right: it's a civic duty to remind those fuckers that it doesn't matter how many technological restrictions they decide to implement to force us to swallow their ads and how many repos they take down. We've also got brilliant engineers on the other side of the barricade, and we'll ALWAYS find clever ways to bypass their dumb restrictions. It's probably just not the best use of engineering resources on both sides. We'd love to spend our engineering time building things instead of reverse engineering the new authentication flow of YouTube in order to get that damn direct video URL. And Google engineers had better invest their time building a new infrastructure that offers fair payments to creators, instead of finding new ways to make people swallow their ads in spite of our scrapers.

2. Creators need to get the fuck out of YouTube. I know, it's hard because they'd lose access to a huge audience, but if nobody ever wins the initial inertia then things won't change, and the Evil Corp will keep bullying everyone. Platforms like Nebula and Curiosity Stream have proved that people are happy to pay a subscription to access premium ads-free content. And platforms like Vimeo and Twitch also offer access to a wide audience. And more platforms can be experimented too, perhaps based on micro-payments or affordable subscription models in order to both create revenue and offer creators anything more than the spare cash from ads revenue. And at some point we should consider a "video aggregator" that works pretty much like an RSS aggregator, listing videos on multiple platforms (after all, they're nothing more than URLs to mp4 files) to make sure that none of the other video platforms becomes the next YouTube. We need consumers and creators to seriously boycott YouTube and let other platforms build enough momentum. That's the only way to make an evil company that only cares about ads revenue change its mind.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#522
post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays. All companies ultimately are responsive to the wants and needs of their paying customers, within the limits of legality and physics. Do not underestimate how important it is that Google’s paying customers are ad buyers, not you.

And why would they not also be responsive to the wants and the needs of the customers who look at the ads, without which the model would not be profitable? They had to create a service people want to use in order to be able to put ads on it.

If non customer complaints and responses threaten the ability of the organization to sell to their actual customers, they will respond. Short of that line, the business is not going to be responsive to non-customer complaints.

This is particularly relevant for subscription vs. ad companies, because both of these companies have different kinds of “non customers”. For a subscription company non-customers can be induced to convert into customers via sales, advertising, and features. So for these companies non customers are all potential future customers who should be listened to some. For companies like Google they serve an entire different class of customers. As an individual there is literally nothing you can do to become a Google customer; so unless if your complaints interfere with Google’s ability to sell your attention to their actual customers, then they have zero reason to care about your opinion.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

Youtube should not be watched by kids, it even has a minimum age of 13 in the TOS. Then what? PBS Kids FTW. No ads, no harmful content, and (probably much) less surveillance.

Similarly, in Australia ABC kids (live and streaming on iView) has more content than any kid could ever consume in a lifetime.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> held hostage by google... Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you... This level of entitlement is just staggering. You can pay for YouTube in two ways; watch adds or pay for add free. Now, I get that the price for watching adds right now is too high. It simply ruins most content. But your metaphors are still just way out there. In reality there are now 3 "tiers". - Premium. Pay with money. - Get a free taste…

You can't "pay" by watching ads. Watching ads is a harmful and non-productive activity, so it's impossible to be obligated to do it.

If you don't want to watch ads you can always do something else. There's no shortage of things to do, and YouTube need not be high on your list.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit recently limited the number of comments you can read in Safari on iOS devices. Click "more" and you are prompted to create an account or go to their app. It's been fantastic. Reddit comments decrease rapidly in quality anyway, but I was unable to look away. Now I'm capped - one or two scrolls and I have to go find something more rewarding to do. Thanks reddit!

HN has a similar feature, but it’s more of a bug

I've never seen that on HN. Reddit intentionally changed their website to prevent you from seeing comments after a couple replies without logging in.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#527
post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't "pay" by watching ads. Watching ads is a harmful and non-productive activity, so it's impossible to be obligated to do it.

If you don't want to watch ads you can always do something else. There's no shortage of things to do, and YouTube need not be high on your list.

Of course I could, but why should I? Ad blockers work fine.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

#529
I wonder if YouTube is getting too big for Google to handle or not. I pay for YouTube premium but find YouTube slow and buggy most of time. YouTube's latest app often break existing functionality. And all features of YouTube premium are available in other free YouTube apps too where you pay nothing.

I pay for YouTube premium because it's only 120₹(2$) in my country and I like to spend a lot of time on YouTube, a lot more than Twitch or Netflix or any other streaming app.

As such I am in favour of this move it it means that YouTube will perform better but I am not sure anymore.

Post reply on HN