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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by asdff »

seanalexander wrote: post #204
blux wrote: post #194

Lots of comments from people complaining about the lack of 32GB of RAM. Can someone explain to me the need for 32GB of RAM as a developer? Is it the IDE or your particular application area? As for me, I do all my professional development (C++17/Linux, Vim, EDA industry) on a five year old T450s with 12GB of RAM. For me the limiting factor is CPU power for sure. I only run out of RAM running some of the larger custome…

As a developer, I routinely need over 128GB. 32GB is cutting is short.

why aren't you using a server?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by sg47 »

shakow wrote: post #489
justin66 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

Chrome, Slack, Zoom, Docker, k8s, VS Code, etc.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by [deleted] »

lovelyviking wrote: post #500
amelius wrote: post #414

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Take action: buy a Mac, and return it. If they want to know why, tell them¹. Repeat for every new model. ¹ They will have to give you a full refund: it's your right as a consumer. Note that this may not work for companies.

Who downvoted your comment and why ? This is a good comment and good strategy to teach them a lesson. Without some efforts those companies would not recall moral values. Richard Stallman was warning us about this development long ago and he was right. Cripled hardware is useless for hacking mind.

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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by amiga-workbench »

dawnerd wrote: post #260
amiga-workbench wrote: post #181

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Possibly because OSX still doesn't support DisplayPort multi-stream and you can't plug multiple monitors into one USB-C port.

What? I can run currently two monitors over thunderbolt 3 with a caldigit dock no problem.

Exactly, a Thunderbolt 3 dock. If you're trying to use an (inexpensive) adaptor that takes advantage of USB-C DP alt modes you will run into this problem.

Ironically, if you boot into Windows you can use these cheap USB-C adaptors with no issues.

https://www.startech.com/en-us/faq/mst-hubs-mac-osx-support

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by lovelyviking »

rsync wrote: post #248
dcchambers wrote: post #37

The 16GB RAM limit is unfortunate. Five years later and I still can't buy a new 13" laptop from Apple with more RAM than my 2015 MBP. Edit: Apparently you can configure a (Early 2020) Intel-based 13" MBP with 32GB of RAM - I was not aware of that. Hope they bring that option to the ARM versions ASAP, especially if the performance gains are as good as Apple claims.

"The 16GB RAM limit is unfortunate." This is a charitable characterization. More correct would be to term this limit "absurd" or "clownish". Even if Apple views the use-cases of these machines as primarily consumption devices and the users of these machines not as creators but as consumers, the bloat of the modern web is expensive and getting more expensive every day. The end user needs this memory even if they reall…

Who is downvoting your perfectly reasonable thoughts? How it's done and why?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by dijit »

afandian wrote: post #424
crazygringo wrote: post #87

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I'm curious, are higher-quality cameras even available that fit into the thin lid? (At a reasonable price?) I was always under the impression that the built-in camera is so much worse than your phone's front-facing camera simply because the phone is thick and has room, while the MacBook lid is much thinner.

That's a kind-of-backwards argument though isn't it? The lid needs to be thick enough to contain the necessary components, not the other way round.

But if the entire lid was as thick as a phone because of a camera then it would be enormous for no realistic reason.

The rest of the screen display is thinner than the camera module already.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by threeseed »

sg47 wrote: post #522
shakow wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

Chrome, Slack, Zoom, Docker, k8s, VS Code, etc.

Your definition of random user seems a little off.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by TuringNYC »

shakow wrote: post #489
justin66 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

Chrome, Slack, Docker. Pick 1 (and only 1)!

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by CydeWeys »

sg47 wrote: post #522
shakow wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is definitely an adequate base spec. What would the random MacBook user fill 16GB of RAM with?

Chrome, Slack, Zoom, Docker, k8s, VS Code, etc.

The median Macbook user is not a developer. A web browser and videocalling are the only two from that list you'd expect the median user to be doing with a Macbook.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by dijit »

akmarinov wrote: post #347
regulation_d wrote: post #46

Did I miss something, or are they, once again, not upgrading the camera? The low light performance of the current version is real bad. Since we're all using these cameras way more, I really thought there would a hardware bump. You can only squeeze so much detail out of an under-exposed, noisy image with software.

It's looking like they stuck the M1 in the same bodies of existing Macs with the intention of upgrading everything next year.

If you look at the cooling solutions on the current macs I’d say the inverse: that these chassis were designed with the M1 in mind and they shoehorned Intel CPUs into them.
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