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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by chris_st »

wincy wrote: post #53
chris_st wrote: post #30

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Or will they just put it into their "burgers"? Seems like the kind of thing they'd do. For the uninitiated: McD's used to fry their fries in lard, and then changed in the 90's to vegetable oil to lower cholesterol, etc. But they still (secretly) used beef flavor, from animals, and lost a $10M lawsuit from vegetarians and Hindus. But they didn't change the recipe [1]. 1: https://www.eatthis.com/mcdonalds-french-fries-…

It wasn't lard, it was beef tallow. Lard is specifically pig fat.

Thanks, I didn't know that!

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Post by Thorrez »

spacephysics wrote: post #172
Nbox9 wrote: post #58

I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

Not so fast with the health talk. Vegetable oils are most likely carcinogenic, amid other health issues (GI, heart) [0]. Red meat is not [1] Further, these fake meats, Impossible Burger namely, have been linked to kidney failure in mice studies [2] (one commissioned by the Impossible Foods manufacturer). In particular: " * A rat feeding study commissioned by the manufacturer Impossible Foods found that rats fed SLH […

So there's one study that didn't find an association between meat an cancer? Well this article[1] says it looks at 400 studies, and did find an association. One of the studies had 262195 people.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-pr...

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Post by Nbox9 »

jungletime wrote: post #376
Nbox9 wrote: post #58

I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

Can anyone comment on why oatmilk is so expensive then. Because oats are super cheap. But 1L of oat milk is $4.50 where I live, which crazy because thats more than regular milk.

I can buy named brand Oatly for ~$4.50L or I can buy generic Oatmilk for ~$2.35.

I can buy soymilk for cheaper than cow’s milk.

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Post by thefounder »

adtac wrote: post #276
thefounder wrote: post #270

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You almost make a religion out of this. Make the lion vegan to complete the circle. That would end the misery on this world, right? Some animals are abused and we can work on regulation to prevent that and promote sustainable development (in EU they already have some laws about this) but I don't think making sure cows die by old age should be the end goal.

>Make the lion vegan to complete the circle. 1. Lions are obligate carnivores, we're not. We do not need meat to survive (evidenced by several cultures around the world living off a nearly entirely plant-based diet for centuries), lions do. 2. What animals do isn't a good moral compass. Animals rape each other, steal, kill their children, and do all sorts of morally reprehensible stuff. >Some animals are abused and w…

>> 2. What animals do isn't a good moral compass. Animals rape each other,

Neither what humans do is a compass for animals's behaviour. You know that cows are not humans, right? There is not much consent in their social life.

We can work to offer them a "good" peaceful life before a quick innevitable slaughter. Not all the farmers cage their animals. Some of them live a pretty good life eating good grass and breathing fresher air than most humans do.

As long as the lifespan of a cow is concerned what difference does it make if it lives 5 years or 20 years? Eventually you have to accept that death is innevitable for animals, insects, plants and humans alike.

Eventuall you will end up death too, get eaten by "disgusting" worms.

You also seem to favor no life at all than a short span? Would you prefer not to be born if you were to know your life will end up tragic (i.e in car crash, or eaten by a lion)?

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by calcifer »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #499
calcifer wrote: post #495

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What evidence is there that anyone is doing that?

Yes! When has anyone ever lied, told only half the truth, misrepresented issues, or omitted important facts to push their agenda? You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?

Yeah, it doesn't work like that. If you claim someone is lying the onus is on you to prove it, we don't ask people to prove a negative.

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Post by klenwell »

ogre_codes wrote: post #191
klenwell wrote: post #38

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What's interesting is that McDonald's has tried something like this this before and, it has been argued, effed it up due to naming. For an interesting account of their first failed attempt, 30 years ago, I highly recommend this New Yorker article, The Trouble with Fries (2001): https://web.archive.org/web/20081218211703/http://www.gladwe... It's Malcolm Gladwell so take it with a packet of salt I suppose. I think it'…

Impossible Burger and Beyond Burger have managed to get around this by focusing on the apparent paradox of healthy versus tasty. Burger King leveraging that branding and calling it the Impossible Whopper was a good call. Communicating that it's a plant based food isn't good enough, they need to communicate that it tastes good first and foremost.

Yeah, when I originally learned what the Impossible Burger actually was, my first thought was, "Wow. They must have read that Malcolm Gladwell article."

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

sc4les wrote: post #415
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #392

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> a fair chance at life If you eliminate meat and dairy, those animals won’t have any life at all. The only reason they are there is because humans eat them.

Haha what. So it's okay to have dog fights since the dogs wouldn't be born otherwise? That's such a weird argument

I quoted the part I was responding to. I wasn’t making any argument about the larger question as to whether keeping animals is moral.

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Post by alchemism »

kibwen wrote: post #215
dkersten wrote: post #208

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Most Italian pizza has rather little cheese. I remember watching something once where the chef of a fancy pizzeria said that the most important thing in pizza is the bread: it should taste great without any topping. Then the sauce and finally everything else. I've had a great vegan pizza once and between bread, sauce and toppings, it tasted like great Italian-style pizza. Sure, a sprinkle of cheese would have made it…

And some pizza doesn't have any cheese at all, such as pizza marinara ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_marinara ), which is rare in the US but was pretty common growing up in the Italian portions of Western Pennsylvania.

Tomato Pies baked by Italians in Philadelphia are quite good, also.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

cies wrote: post #496
dzhiurgis wrote: post #410

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Oi but is eating bacteria and yeast - a living organism - vegan?

Plants live, fungi live, bacteria live, and animals live. The differentiator is the ability to feel pain. Some small bugs (animals) already show no pain response, but most animals do. It is said plant feel pain, but that's a different kind of pain than pain in animals. Vegans try --when possible-- not to cause pain on others, or reduce it as much as possible. We're against the commodification of animal lives. We (veg…

> Vegans try --when possible-- not to cause pain on others, or reduce it as much as possible.

It is worth making clear, however, that not all vegans share these ethical concerns. Other vegans may have adopted the diet for health reasons (China Study or similar) and do not believe that livestock raising and slaughter is unethical.

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