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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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The problem is, remote education has been a complete disaster. I know a few teachers. Apparently their students found out that the state was unwilling to hold anyone back a year during the pandemic, they shared this information with each other, and now a substantial amount of them are not doing any work. In some classes, more than half the students are permanently absent! Either their parents don't know, or don't car…

That’s a cultural problem. We need to change it so intrinsic motivation is the driving force behind education.

My parents told me that if I didn't get a good education, I'd become a "ditch digger".

Of course, these days operating a Ditch Witch isn't a bad job at all, and frankly looks like fun!

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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it hates publicly subsidized private schools that are not effectively accountable As opposed to existing publicly subsidized public schools that are not effectively accountable?

Charters are explicitly reductions in institutional legal accountability, and unlike public (charter or not) schools, the chief decision makers so released from accountability with private schools are not accountable by election, either.

Yes, and it's difficult to get information from charter schools because they are not subject to the same reporting that public schools are. This makes it easy for people take advantage of their opaqueness.

These are a few examples from Los Angeles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/06/17/how-does...

https://patch.com/california/studiocity/la-charter-schools-f...

https://www.scpr.org/blogs/education/2013/04/05/13188/los-an...

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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So 2 directions? The cheaper, easier, and far more deadly in person option or invest $$$ with a need for short term results. It's never that simple, but if the issue is spending the money then I don't see why it isn't a straight forward option given how much we've spent to buy bad debt and bail out administration cronies.

The consensus on both ends of the political spectrum over the past 30 years is that public education is a failure and must be abolished through either defunding or diverting funding to charter schools. Providing more funding to public schools would undermine that goal.

I doubt it's truly a consensus on the right half of the spectrum. It most certainly isn't on the left.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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What we currently have going on right now is a complete collapse in confidence. So many commenters are debating the death rate, case counts, hospitalizations, etc, which is all besides the point. Heres the thing: even if you believe people are being irrationally afraid, telling people they are stupid and should just suck it up isn't going to get people to cooperate. Do you want to be smugly right, or do you want thin…

>Telling people that only 1% of them will die so it's all okay is telling people you don't care about them - they notice, they're not dumb. No no no no no. It's high time we stop treating everything as black and white in this country. It's not just callously disregarding the dead - it's about determining whether the literal and figurative loss of life caused by a lockdown is worth the loss of life caused by the virus…

> Let's also not forget that a number of other countries like Sweden didn't lock down at all and are doing fine.

Sweden did a voluntary lock down, which was in practice pretty comprehensive. Even then they still had a death rate per capita many times higher than its neighbours, and it was economically hit just as hard.

Perhaps it was worth a try, but it didn't pan out. Their government even formed a commission to figure out why it went so bad.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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You’re fulfilling the Idiocracy prophecy. Those who think about their life choices are less likely to breed than those who are more reckless and have children with less hesitation. The similar survival rate of children of the two groups means the more-reckless genes & culture will out-propagate the less-reckless genes & culture. I’m pretty sure less-reckless is what we need more of, but without some extreme and quest…

Oh cool, eugenics on HN. People are obviously free to downvote this but Idiocracy's entire premise, and the parent comment, are about eugenics. Additionally, Idiocracy was not very funny aside from Picnicface's Powerthirst jokes recycled into Brawndo.

Not sure I agree. More like, arguing that cultural and inherited values and behaviors can result in changes to the gene pool. Not that people are generically inferior, but that their values can be propagated when tied to a higher birthrate, with potentially net negative outcomes for society at large.

The exhortations of early Christian leaders against birth control are thought to be in part an effort to ensure the faithful flock grew at a faster rate than rival religions. A similar concept to the one I am trying to frame in the above paragraph, but not one that I would call eugenics which is an utterly flawed and morally abhorrent concept.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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The problem is, remote education has been a complete disaster. I know a few teachers. Apparently their students found out that the state was unwilling to hold anyone back a year during the pandemic, they shared this information with each other, and now a substantial amount of them are not doing any work. In some classes, more than half the students are permanently absent! Either their parents don't know, or don't car…

That’s a cultural problem. We need to change it so intrinsic motivation is the driving force behind education.

Sure... but we're not going to figure out how to reinvent education before September.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Even on the outside, it seems like pushing kids back into the classroom is poorly thought out. I can't imagine the shitshow it must seem like on the inside.

My girlfriend is a middle school guidance counselor. She was spending most of her week during the end of the school year dealing with referrals from teachers for students who weren't doing any work at home. Not just slacking off some, but entirely refusing to do anything. She'd try contacting the parents but many would never return her calls. The few she did contact weren't very concerned or admitted they lacked a wa…

> this is going to widen the achievement gap between students with high parental involvement and those with low parental involvement

How could it not? Volunteering in my kids' school since they were in kindergarten, it was sadly clear to me that some of the kids got dealt a pretty bad hand in terms of parental involvement (often out of conflicting demands on the parents, I'm sure). COVID-related home-schooling hasn't helped anything I'm sure.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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I have pretty much given up on everybody at this point. I have already pulled my kid from school and will not send them back. I am in a single income family and I am now working from home. All actions and purchases at this point are to help us to become more independant from the system. Society and government at large has shown itself to be unreliable and undependable. I am also making longer term plans to move out o…

I think one of the things that has been so disheartening to me about the pandemic is that it has shown how we just can't really do anything anymore in the US. I mean, just look at PPE. I understand being a little flat footed when the pandemic first started, but it's been nearly 6 months now. I would have expected mass mobilization to pump out N95 masks, gloves, gowns, face shields, etc. by the millions. I mean, look…

Please share what countries you are referring to. This is not meant as a challenge, I genuinely feel the same way and want to evaluate things.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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post #358

What we currently have going on right now is a complete collapse in confidence. So many commenters are debating the death rate, case counts, hospitalizations, etc, which is all besides the point. Heres the thing: even if you believe people are being irrationally afraid, telling people they are stupid and should just suck it up isn't going to get people to cooperate. Do you want to be smugly right, or do you want thin…

>Telling people that only 1% of them will die so it's all okay is telling people you don't care about them - they notice, they're not dumb. No no no no no. It's high time we stop treating everything as black and white in this country. It's not just callously disregarding the dead - it's about determining whether the literal and figurative loss of life caused by a lockdown is worth the loss of life caused by the virus…

> countries like Sweden didn't lock down at all and are doing fine.

Interesting, Sweden suffered more deaths than their neighbors and does not appear to be any better off economically.

Sweden Has Become the World's Cautionary Tale - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-c...

Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-t...

Sweden's economy likely won't benefit from its decision to avoid a lockdown, according to analysts - https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-economy-likely-wont-b...

Sweden's controversial anti-lockdown strategy resulted in high death toll and no real economic gain, data shows - https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-...

Sweden Has Avoided a Coronavirus Lockdown. Its Economy Is Hurting Anyway. - https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-has-avoided-a-coronaviru...

Now either this strategy isn't as good as you claim it to be or NYT, CNBC, Business Insider, and the WSJ and all the analysts and experts they cite are working together to cook up a conspiracy.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Even on the outside, it seems like pushing kids back into the classroom is poorly thought out. I can't imagine the shitshow it must seem like on the inside.

The problem is, remote education has been a complete disaster. I know a few teachers. Apparently their students found out that the state was unwilling to hold anyone back a year during the pandemic, they shared this information with each other, and now a substantial amount of them are not doing any work. In some classes, more than half the students are permanently absent! Either their parents don't know, or don't car…

You're right, and it's because remote education is exposing the core truths of education, which are that it's mostly daycare (at least until dropout age) and signalling.[1] If that's not bad enough, our education systems (not just the USA) constantly make most students feel stupid, so the kids hate it.

I really don't know how you'd fix all the issues, but I am sure that any meaningful reform will be incredibly unpopular (especially with teachers).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_Against_Education

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