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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tarun_anand »

Hi Nat, finally MS responded to the Gitlab threat. Recently Gitlab has announced that they would be making a bunch of products free.

"We're open sourcing rich functionality across Plan, Create, Verify, Package, Release, Configure, and Defend."

https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2020/03/30/new-features-to-cor...

It's good to see that MS has joined the party.

Are there any plans to make GitHub itself available for self-hosting? I am not sure but the go-to place for open source software cannot be closed source.

Cheers,

Tarun

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by adityasaky »

oars wrote: post #508
kevindong wrote: post #385

By and far the main difference between 'Team' ($4/person/month) and 'Enterprise' ($21/person/month) is SSO/LDAP [0]. The SSO tax is real [1]. [0]: https://github.com/pricing [1]: https://sso.tax/

On sso.tax, it states that "Single sign-on (SSO) is a mechanism for outsourcing the authentication for your website (or other product) to a third party identity provider, such as Google, Facebook, Okta, PingFederate, etc." Isn't this the definition of Federation, rather than SSO?

As I understand it, federation enables two separate instances of some particular service to interact. They can still use single sign-on independently for their own authentication needs.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jjeaff wrote: post #233
manigandham wrote: post #206

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There are dozens of CI/CD offerings and many are better designed than Github actions, including Gitlab's CI runners. I don't see what paying Github would do for AWS or GCP. They both have their own code repos, build pipelines, container registries, and more. Even Azure has its own DevOps product.

I use Gitlab's CI runners and I agree. However, I am pretty excited about the direction that Github is going with their actions. Having a directory of user created actions and integrations seems like gold to me and I hope Gitlab starts leaning that way soon.

I agree, but GitHub must fix the security nightmare that is waiting to happen with GitHub actions marketplace. Seems like this would be such an easy fix, too.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by pknopf »

spenczar5 wrote: post #303
pknopf wrote: post #297

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I get that you guys want to say that publicly, but let's be real. No company would invest a massive amount of money in a duplicate product. One product will eventually starve. I guess it is up to us to guess. Anyone? I see GitHub being the unmovable giant here. Microsoft is publicly developing on it, as opposed to Azure Dev Ops. It has a very large mind-share. More developers are willing to use it without having the…

> No company would invest a massive amount of money in a duplicate product. I don't mean to be rude, but have you worked at a very large company like Microsoft or Amazon or Google? Redundant products are par for the course because of the byzantine internal politics and funding structures of big companies.

See this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22872556

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by zmmmmm »

tracker1 wrote: post #389
polskibus wrote: post #152

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Any plans for free on prem version, like Gitlab?

Considering Github Enterprise (which offers on-prem) is their main feature, and main source of revenue (paying for the free stuff) it's really unlikely. Why not just use Gitlab if you really need on-prem for cheap/free?

Heh, well, there you go - it's exactly why we are using Gitlab. It's going to be a pressure point for them just lke the free private repos has been previously.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by alex_young »

Compare this with Microsoft’s other notable purchase of recent years, LinkedIn.

At LinkedIn they are tightening all of the screws and extracting cash from all comers.

What is different about GitHub?

My guess is GitLab.

This is an old strategy for Microsoft. They used to call it Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

atonse wrote: post #79
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #56

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Stuff like SAML is kind of the only leverage freemium SaaS has for rationalizing charging enterprise customers.

Not true. There are other things (like audit logs, invoice/PO payments, better support) that enterprises will still want.

If it's possible for GH to run a profitable business while offering SAML integration for free, I am 100% supportive of the suggestion. It's hard to say exactly how many enterprises pay specifically or exclusively for this reason, as opposed to other enterprise features, like audit trails.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by geofft »

ctrlaltdel121 wrote: post #427
rexpop wrote: post #384

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This should be the overriding concern of everyone in this forum. It's no longer astonishing[0], but it is quite disgusting how HN participants are able to compartmentalize their enthusiasm for technology away from moral or ethical qualms. I suppose the most generous interpretation is to assume that they are simply unaware.[1] Upstream of that ignorance, however, is a fearful unwillingness to interrogate the foundatio…

You must be enjoying quarantine, because if your ethical horse is up this high you must not be able to leave the house without encountering "qualms"

That's basically the "yet you participate in society" of ethics discourse. It's entirely possible to encounter qualms in everything you see - that's hardly a sign that the world is okay as it is and we shouldn't try to make it better.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by girvo »

hiram112 wrote: post #509
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #453

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> can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment How are you going to alienate/lose customers by not getting rid of customers? If anything, I'd argue the opposite; a platform that refuses to ban legal content is one that I find easier to trust (for a counterexample, see Google). It's not even like github-like companies are social networks where you can claim that one user's experience of the platform is made wor…

We all know that the most vocal on the left, who want to silence anyone who doesn't pander to their political ideals, pressure public companies, advertisers, etc. to 'cancel' those who refuse to go along - drop their advertising, cut off their servers, purge their DNS, ban their accounts, shame them relentlessly until they disappear. Most US companies these days have no morals, and are easily influenced by these tact…

Sure, but that "lot of us" out there is a much smaller and usually much rowdier group of users that time and time again companies have been happy to wash their hands of. You're not profitable enough (and I'm not even getting started on the morality or ethics side of this).

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by bastardoperator »

hiram112 wrote: post #509
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment How are you going to alienate/lose customers by not getting rid of customers? If anything, I'd argue the opposite; a platform that refuses to ban legal content is one that I find easier to trust (for a counterexample, see Google). It's not even like github-like companies are social networks where you can claim that one user's experience of the platform is made wor…

We all know that the most vocal on the left, who want to silence anyone who doesn't pander to their political ideals, pressure public companies, advertisers, etc. to 'cancel' those who refuse to go along - drop their advertising, cut off their servers, purge their DNS, ban their accounts, shame them relentlessly until they disappear. Most US companies these days have no morals, and are easily influenced by these tact…

https://xkcd.com/1357/
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