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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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In the past 5 days, some organizations who can afford it have shut down offices and are providing just that. I'm not at liberty to expose info on who, because I'm not sure it's been made public or not.

Are any those organisations like Walmart or McDonalds that employ a lot of people who often don’t have any savings and any margins at all?

Definitely not. When common franchise chains close, and people can't work, nor shop, is when it will be too late, and dire.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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I live in Seattle, so I’ve been following the WA outbreak with particular fervor. What is utterly batshit insane to me is that as of YESTERDAY, the nursing home with almost every death in the USA STILL didn’t have enough testing kits to test the 63 residents left, nevermind the dozens of staff. They received 45 test kits. Total. This is AFTER Mike Pence visited the state and assured everyone that “millions” of kits w…

You sound correct about the hypocracy but as far as I can find out the normal tests are reported about 40-70% accurate (reports vary but my understanding is more near 40 than 70) in non-symptomatic people and around here they are thus only used and done twice if one has symptoms as even then they are not fool-proof. The test is thus pretty useless to perform on everybody as it gives too many false positives and too m…

This is incorrect. The sequence test has low false positive rate and higher false negative rate. The positive results alone are significant and informative from a policy perspective. Combined with other measurements like CT, the accuracy can be high.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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> I think Italy is doing a bit worse that all other governments It is the first western government to fucking react (even if forced to) and show everyone else the road ahead. And everyone else keeps acting like they hope it's not going to happen to them.

The Titanic was the first transatlantic ship to "fucking react" to an iceberg.

Is this a point of pride?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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What he refers to, is that initially doctors said to stay away from people that went to China. Some politicians used that to push identity politics and went to Chinese restaurants and took pictures hugging Chinese people. I live in Poland so I have no idea, but my dad is back home and he's been telling me about it, that's what he said.

That makes a lot more sense to me. I do think both sides of the politcal spectrum are seeking to advance any parts of their agenda they can with this outbreak. I just felt that if something that ridiculous was said (and I am a fairly liberal person!) it would have most likely made international news.

Again, you are questioning what other people are saying based on your hunch.

Feel free to ask for sources, but this whole smug tone "you're wrong because I got a hunch you are" is not really productive.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

They don’t need an understanding of exponential growth, they only need to look at examples: China, extreme measures and barely contained it; Italy delayed measures, turning fast into a disaster. How many examples do we need?

In Denmark yesterday a couple of kids in the same class in a school were tested positive, they closed the classroom - not even the school.

I would certainly like to see the example of a country able to learn from the mistakes of others.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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The US really really /really/ needs to get out in front of this. We have the lowest per-capita testing rate in the world, there are likely already significant outbreaks in Seattle, Santa Clara co, NYC, and DC. Probably elsewhere. We are literally like 12 days behind and can see into our future. If this virus does indeed require such intense hospital resources (as in Wuhan and now Northern Italy) letting it spike is j…

SXSW, South by Southwest music festival was cancelled (sadly so, but good), amongst other events, but definitely not enough yet.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Do you have any numbers or is it just anecdotal? Because when worked in a nursing home back the day, the seasonal flus was already bad enough, so...

I'm not OP, but it's a quick search. "Nineteen of those who died in King County were residents of Life Care Center, a nursing home in Kirkland, according to Public Health - Seattle & King County. Researchers say the virus may have been circulating undetected for weeks."[0] [0] - https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/coronavirus-number-confirme...

I was referring to the fact that nobody died fothe flu the last time it was around. usually, at least over here, you don't conduct that level of testing.

Which indicates one really big issue. People are, for a large degree, scared by numbers now. Not because the nmbers look black death level bad, but rather because there are no numbers on stuf like, say, the flu or some other disease out there to compare them against. Not blaming people for it, that's just how numbers work, not just for diseases.

bad thing is, nobody is addressing this, or anything else related to testing, numbers and so on, in the public. Which includes TV, internet, papers... Instead we have fake news spreading. This fake news is then erroding trust in official information. And as a reult you have to sides, one that believes the virus is at most a flu and the other one believing it will at least be the spanish flu if not the black death. Both are wrong, but the true facts are not getting through. Also the official information is badly presented.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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> I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. > I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news. So you don't speak enough Italian to verify, but still you got a hunch. And since we're at it, let's accuse whoever says things I don't like of spreading fake news. What a constructive attitude! Besides not speaking Italian we…

I asked for a source where the quote is said as I was not able to find one, yet you still haven't provided one. Again, could you provide an article (Italian or English!) where "they" are telling you the only virus is racism?

You didn't merely ask for a source.

You asked for a source accusing me that I was spreading fake news because of some right-wing.

Anyway, I gave you a few pointers, look them up and you'll find everything you need. I am not spending more time for someone that immediately assumes my bad faith.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

"Exponential growth" in itself isn't really the issue. If every week you have 10,000% as many cases as last week, you're screwed. If every week you have 105% as many cases as last week (i.e. 5% more), that's exponential, but after a year there would be less than a 13X increase, by which point there could be a vaccine or other measures that cause the weekly number to go from 105% to 95%. You can also have non-exponent…

Problem with exponential growth is that you can be a little off in the exponent and be totally off in the result. Such is the fragility of any assumption about exponents being "small".

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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This is an account from one of the doctors in Italy. https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/123714289107769753... Read the whole thing, but this passage in particular is just chilling. "5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are start…

Am I the only to catch the very first sentence?

"From a well respected friend and intensivist/A&E consultant who is currently in northern Italy:"

Basically, that make this twitter thread uncorborated news unless someone reached out to the Italian doctor referenced in it.

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