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Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#521

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Eh, when does it really matter? The only time I care about speed is when buying something, and the more expensive that something is, the less fast it needs to be.

If you have a truck waiting to load at a warehouse somewhere waiting for your £200k payment to clear, then yes, the speed really really matters.

Same goes for aircraft. Good luck chartering an airliner at short notice without making a large deposit.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#522
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> It effectively establishes a billion dollar bounty for any party who can rewrite enough blocks to erase it. To do what exactly? Nobody can redirect the transaction to themselves and the best they can do is erase it. 51% attacking the network will cost you a lot , and you won't actually win anything in your attack. Even if the owner of the coins is the attacker, you can only win by double-spending the transaction by…

If the liquidity is enough, 1) Short Bitcoin to the tune of several Billion dollars. 2) Do a 51% attack and essentially prove it's worthlessness. 3) Profit

If you have amassed enough hashpower to be able to do the 51% attack you have far more to gain economically from continuing to mine for the network than to somehow short it (impossible to find a counterparty for a transaction that large) and then have billions of dollars of hardware that is now worthless

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#523

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Do you now understand why we need something like Bitcoin? (Even if it's gonna a be a newer version of it in the future, or something even more private etc.)

Doesn't this just show that Bitcoin is worthless in comparison to a state-backed fiat currency? It doesn't matter if you have all the bitcoin in the world, the US government has more violence at its disposal than you could ever buy, and ultimately violence is the only thing that ensures the ownership of anything. If a government wanted something from you they could just take it, that's the real reason that the money…

Fortunately those of us who live in the United States also have the protection of the U.S. Constitution, which provides a glimmer of hope that we can seek restitution when the government deploys its violence illegally. Who knows how much longer that will hold up though...

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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94EH and close to 50TH for top of the line equipment. Even if we were extremely generous would be a billion in hardware at the very least (I am assuming $500 manufacturing cost)

The Market Cap of Bitcoin is $184,000,000,000 Theoretically, I can spend that much to make it's value go to $0. (yes, there are liquidity and other concerns, but you get the point)

No, you couldn't because you'd need to borrow the entire float, which is impossible, practically and theoretically.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

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post #211

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> It effectively establishes a billion dollar bounty for any party who can rewrite enough blocks to erase it. To do what exactly? Nobody can redirect the transaction to themselves and the best they can do is erase it. 51% attacking the network will cost you a lot , and you won't actually win anything in your attack. Even if the owner of the coins is the attacker, you can only win by double-spending the transaction by…

If the liquidity is enough, 1) Short Bitcoin to the tune of several Billion dollars. 2) Do a 51% attack and essentially prove it's worthlessness. 3) Profit

Are the sort of places willing to sell options on BTC the sort of places that would honor such a contract if the price went to 0?

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#527

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Try doing 100K in EUR/USD/GBP... It's likely not free (but probably not outrageous either)... Last time I did something like that the transaction cost was small ( On the flip side, I saw a payment go through for one our suppliers today. $50 invoice. > $25 processing fee because it was a european bank processing a USD transaction. :/

Bitcoin to bitcoin might be cheap, but the crypto exchanges seems to take quite a cut when you convert to national currency. Something like 1.5% in the case of Coinbase.

coinbase is far too expensive with their normal options. if you use their coinbase pro product it comes down to .3% for taker transactions or .15% for maker transactions. I never use the regular coinbase

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#528

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Doesn't this just show that Bitcoin is worthless in comparison to a state-backed fiat currency? It doesn't matter if you have all the bitcoin in the world, the US government has more violence at its disposal than you could ever buy, and ultimately violence is the only thing that ensures the ownership of anything. If a government wanted something from you they could just take it, that's the real reason that the money…

Fortunately those of us who live in the United States also have the protection of the U.S. Constitution, which provides a glimmer of hope that we can seek restitution when the government deploys its violence illegally. Who knows how much longer that will hold up though...

The Constitution is a piece of paper, it does nothing and protects no one. The real thing that is protecting you is the same thing that always has: the good will of your common man. The real power has always lied in the beliefs of the people and always will, and if you can’t have faith in that you can't have faith in anything. We all live at each other’s mercy. Any system that doesn’t have trust in each other as its fundamental basis simply can’t last.

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#529

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They could prevent you from spending the coins, though, by threatening anyone who accepts a transfer of the 'seized' coins.

Does the crypto community actually stop people from spending stolen coins? No, they send off alerts but the coins still get used.

I'm pretty sure that "They" was meant to refer to the Government. The Government could most certainly pass laws (or enforce existing laws) that put people in jail for accepting stolen or "dirty" coins. (Just like the Government could pass a law or re-interpret existing laws to make making owning bitcoins illegal.)

Re: 94k Bitcoin (1B USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet

#530

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Hash rate is 90+m terahash and increasing, good luck R&Ding the chips and obtaining enough to achieve. Retail pricing is around 3k per 50 TH/s, and that is just for hardware.

There is a reason you are lurking in HN instead of working in a hedge fund. The theoretical maximum value one can gain from Bitcoin going to $0 is it's market cap ($184,000,000,000). If you take out the liquidity and risk, I can spend upto $184B to make the Bitcoin go to 0. If you are state actor, you can direct all the energy and all the computers to attack Bitcoin

Sure, naked shorts are bounded, but a naked short is not the only way to profit from the decline of an asset.

And really, if you’re talking about limiting cases, you’re bounded by what your counterparties are good for, and by what your relevant regulators will let you get away with (or, depending on who your counterparties are, how far you can go before you end up in a ditch somewhere)

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