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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by gruseom »

timo614 wrote: post #466

Since this will probably be the last time a comment of mine appears in HN due to the new system I figured I'd give my take on it. I'm someone who doesn't join in threads pretty often; I'll chime in if I find the topic to be something I'm interested in but my ignorance to most other matters leaves me from wanting to join into threads because of a fear of people piling on negative responses or "schooling" me in terms o…

Why wouldn't your comments get endorsed and be seen as much as anyone else's?

Have you perhaps misunderstood the karma restriction to mean that people with less karma will have their comments be less visible? That's not the idea.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

ps4fanboy wrote: post #180

I am calling it, this will be the deathknell of hackernews, you can already see huge bias in the stories that get flagged on this site now you will see it in every comment.

> I am calling it, this will be the deathknell of hackernews

I agree. This is an incredibly drastic (proposed) change to HN. I think that, years from now, it will be written:

   As his final act before leaving YC
   Paul Graham shut down Hacker News

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by dfc »

eogas wrote: post #328
vacri wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not fond of the idea, but at the same time, playing the victim like you are here doesn't exactly do much for comment quality.

HN really loathes humour, doesn't it?

In my opinion this is a feature of HN discussions and one of the things I detest about reddit discussions.

Slashdot had the ultimate solution for our different tastes: you could configure a comment type (informative/funny/etc) modifier/threshold. You could say you wanted to see more funny replies and I could say I did not want to see them. It was a tiny bit complicated initially but I think the big impediment to adoption at other sites was the clunky UI. There is not a simple/unobtrusive way to display so many feedback options for each an every comment.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by e12e »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #355
wildfire wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A shame. Whilst I am always intrigued with what hits the front-page, I rather more often than occasionally, find myself getting to page 10 or so on the weekends. Just to see what has been going on that I missed. Your change will basically mean that someone like me who might have something to add to an existing conversation might as well not bother. It'll be years before I have enough karma on ycombinator's hackernews…

> Your change will basically mean that someone like me who might have something to add to an existing conversation might as well not bother. That is already the case. Very few people read or participate in threads more than 24 hours old. You're already walking into an empty room and having a conversation with yourself; all this change does is lock the door.

Is that really the case? I find quite a few users seem to check replies to their comments -- so eg: answering a question usually isn't a waste of time. It would be if the person asking a question doesn't have 1k karma (see other comments for riff on this topic). Just struck me that this is rather bad -- while hn isn't (probably nor should be) a "stack exchange" type site, there's always someone asking on a story "what is this X that everyone here seem to know". Where X is anything for traditional MVC to data normalization etc[1]. I'm sure we all have some gaping holes in our knowledge of computer science and history -- having such questions answered seems to me to be a good way to maintain a sense of community.

[1] For example, not realizing that RC4 is now hopelessly broken, and asking for a couple of recent references.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

atom-morgan wrote: post #467
pg wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what the delete link does.

This may be a stupid question but exactly where is the delete link? I see deleted comments, but I don't see a delete link or even a downvote button when comments are downvoted. Is there a karma threshold for these?

In the line of gray text beginning with your username at the top of your comment.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by batoure »

So I would like to have someone explain to me why I am wrong But I feel like this will penalize discussions that are happening off the front page. I spent a decent amount of time reading things that don't make it to the front page. I comment and am involved in discussing posts that rarely get much altitude. So now comments that are made on articles that are interesting only to a minority require the ok of a member of the majority. This seems more exclusionary than worth while.

Perhaps an option would be to add filtering on any post that is up-voted above a certain score. This would allow early movers to help generate conversation and then trigger moderation when the conversation is going to go wide.

This type of a tactic would encourage better behavior in the big leagues while giving room for smaller voices that may not be fully part of the community.

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