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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by po »

pg wrote: post #28
cperciva wrote: post #19

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

Another idea would be: tie the number of outstanding comments allowed to the user's karma.

For those of us in non-US timezones, it would be nice to be able to post a few comments before having to wait while the site isn't getting much traffic. I would say something like 500 karma = 1 extra comment you can make before getting the previous ones endorsed.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by wtvanhest »

beloch wrote: post #194
babuskov wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, please do make this. I have exchanged very useful information with other commenters on HN this way. Sometimes I ask a question in the comments, and it gets answered days later. I go through "comments" in my profile periodically to see if someone replied to those. In this process I also see if someone asked my something and reply there as well. IMHO, HN should have a "private message" feature if comments get p…

I endorse this post strongly. I too have occasionally had some informative back-and-forth's in buried threads. With this update, this would only work if both users have >1000 karma.

Additionally, people may be more willing to have these conversations if the comments made in old threads didn't impact their average karma. Long ago I decided I didn't care about average karma and just try to add something to a larger discussion or attempt to have a conversation in an old thread, but in the beginning I was concerned.

The back and forth comments deep in threads no one reads are some of the most interesting I have had.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by bmelton »

gk1 wrote: post #238
babuskov wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, please do make this. I have exchanged very useful information with other commenters on HN this way. Sometimes I ask a question in the comments, and it gets answered days later. I go through "comments" in my profile periodically to see if someone replied to those. In this process I also see if someone asked my something and reply there as well. IMHO, HN should have a "private message" feature if comments get p…

By the way, you can use HN Notify ( http://hnnotify.com/ ) to get an email when someone responds to your comment. This way you don't have to dig into your comments every time just to find replies.

FWIW, anecdotally, HNNotify doesn't appear to work all that well on topics older than a few days... or maybe it's just me. I've noticed that I definitely miss comments, and the trend there tends to be when the discussion has cooled somewhat. I always get discussion notifications for topics that are still on the home page.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by thaumaturgy »

bertil wrote: post #297
thaumaturgy wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I wouldn't endorse it. But, since some of your points are often raised... > It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions That particular disease doesn't seem to have taken hold here yet. Comments that are downvoted below 1 more often are angry, abusive, trollish, or devoid of content. > ...but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users... An "elite" group of, by a rough estima…

> > It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions > That particular disease doesn't seem to have taken hold here yet. Comments that are downvoted below 1 more often are angry, abusive, trollish, or devoid of content. Some of the comments voted below 1 are, indeed -- but a more relevant metric to respond to that critic would be: How many well articulated contrarian opinion expressed on HN are voted…

Do you have any examples? This thread (and some other recent activity) notwithstanding, I'm not really active on HN anymore.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by vacri »

eogas wrote: post #97

This seems like a rather hostile change to an already hostile community. HN has never felt like a welcoming place to me, and I don't think this will help. Maybe PG prefers the community to be small, so he's trying to trim it down? Because I'm fairly certain this will drive users away, and not just the ones he wants to keep out. Please noble 1000+ers, free my humble comment from the depths of the low-karma peasants. F…

I'm not fond of the idea, but at the same time, playing the victim like you are here doesn't exactly do much for comment quality.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by elithrar »

pdq wrote: post #283

Here's a simple solution to this whole moderation hammer: add a downvote for poor comments (ala Reddit). The spam and garble comments will automatically be moderated by the community as a whole. Turning HN into Wikipedia Moderation Politics is not a smart idea.

> Here's a simple solution to this whole moderation hammer: add a downvote for poor comments (ala Reddit).

There are down-votes. You just don't get the ability to down-vote until > ~500 karma (it may be a bit higher now).

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by Nk26 »

booruguru wrote: post #172

This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest. I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy? A lot of HN user…

I completely agree, I personally want to see everyone's comments not just the ones that have been curated by the chosen.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

graycat wrote: post #124

Sounds like a system very slow to change, nearly self-perpetuating, like more of an echo chamber, like stew without garlic or pepper, like ignoring that a stream bed is cold and uncomfortable, full of mud and gravel, but also one of the best places to look for gold. Fundamentally the high karma people pleased the masses at HN and/or have been commenting at HN for a long time and maybe have made the better comments bu…

The thing about losing your ability to endorse supports your claim. Even endorsers that are not holding to the right echo chamber can be worked out of the system. So it does seem "self-regulating" in that sense.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by michaelwww »

People who regularly endorse comments that fail one or both of these tests will lose the ability to endorse comments.

Punishing people for endorsing comments that don't meet an arbitrary and vague content standard will inhibit endorsements. Endorsements are necessary for comments to show up. Seemingly weird comments that are brilliant only after reflection will not get endorsed. Hacker News will trend towards mediocrity. Another site killed by excessive moderation...

I run with dead comments showing. I hardly use my ability to down vote comments, but I rarely see a dead comment that didn't deserve it. There's a consensus on what should die here and I see no need to add more moderation.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by vacri »

tptacek wrote: post #265
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one compromise could be to remove this restriction from users with > x karma. It's not ideal to me but it is something ...

A bad comment is a bad comment whether I write it or a green-named user does. Jerkface.

This is why I think the anonymous idea above is a good add-on, if we have to have this system.
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