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Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by ahartmetz »

andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

He's incredibly rich. Americans greatly respect rich people, the richer the more respect. It's apparently a bizarre reinterpretation/misunderstanding of Calvinism.

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Post by ofjcihen »

andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

I like that the most sober thing a CEO has said in a long time is getting the “who cares what CEOs think?” treatment.

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by zyngaro »

dbuser99 wrote: post #478
andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

Yea he only runs one of the biggest technology companies in the world.

A what ?

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by eiifr1 »

hatefulheart wrote: post #493
baq wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Past performance is not indicative of future results. We're riding an exponential here for Pete's sake.

We all know the future results of a lame horse.

Judging by his account he’s a big time booster suffering with psychosis

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by birdsongs »

theturtletalks wrote: post #490
birdsongs wrote: post #469

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> Don’t take my word for it then, ask any terminal agent to dig in and get an idea of how good these apps are. Okay but, you know this isn't a quality metric right? These models are incredibly biased towards positive confirmation of the prompt. I could give them nearly any repo and they would sing the praises of the best parts, if I asked. This sounds a bit like psychosis.

I never told you what prompt to even feed your AI my guy. As far as I know, you can be like rip this repo to shreds and tell me what’s wrong with it and you’ll get your answer. Crazy how you guys blindly trust proprietary apps where you can’t even read the code but asking you to read open-source code is psychosis?

> Crazy how you guys blindly trust proprietary apps where you can’t even read the code

Wow okay, I'm a huge open source advocate, I run hardly anything closed source. No one here was talking about that, this is your own weird segue.

> but asking you to read open-source code is psychosis

But you didn't ask that. You told me to get an agent to read it (actually, not even read it, make its own quality assessment for me).

That's a massive difference, and if you consider them to be the same thing, then yes, my statement stands.

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Post by Analemma_ »

ofjcihen wrote: post #512
andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

I like that the most sober thing a CEO has said in a long time is getting the “who cares what CEOs think?” treatment.

I'd say that about several other CEOs too if their fanboys wouldn't jump down my throat about it. Zuckerberg is just universally unpopular enough that you can get away with it

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Post by openquery »

SwellJoe wrote: post #319

Zuckerberg is proof you only need to get really lucky once. He's basically flailed at leading facebook ever since, going all in on monumentally dumb bets and erratically making headcount and project decisions, and still he somehow keeps getting richer.

Getting a company to IPO is not about getting lucky once - it's making hundreds of good decisions daily. From hiring to product direction to fundraising.

Like or hate the guy you gotta give credit where it's due. (Same for Musk, etc.)

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Post by snarg »

epolanski wrote: post #472
andrewaylett wrote: post #424

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The thing is: I could produce 2-3 times as much code as before _without_ an LLM, if I didn't care about my colleagues' ability to review my output properly. Lines of code are a liability, not an asset. You want as few of them as you can get away with, without compromising the actual asset: the functionality. A huge part of the job of Software Engineering is producing the right amount of code at the right time.

I think that coding reviews are no longer feasible as they used to. The pace and expectations have increased and a human can barely cope with reviewing its own code, let alone colleagues'. They are not going to disappear in critical aspects of a codebase, nor shouldn't, but the industry will eventually reward self sufficient individuals able to keep the pace, harness and run adversarial reviews against the design and…

How'd that go for the most recent Windows update?

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Post by diegolas »

nickjj wrote: post #486
onion2k wrote: post #315

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Do I write all my code with an agent now? Yes. Can you just give an agent a desired outcome and let it work, unsupervised? Absolutely not. I strongly suspect that developers moving from writing code to managing agents to write code for them is very similar to developers moving into leadership and management roles and managing ICs to write code for them. Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well a…

> Some devs just 'get it' and thrive, leading a team really well and building a great culture. I don't think it's this because the outcome you get from AI isn't controllable. You can give it the best prompts and design suggestions and it'll still give you completely wrong or horribly written code. If you were a manager and one of your reports kept producing completely wrong and horribly written code that other folks…

>I don't think it's this because the outcome you get from AI isn't controllable. You can give it the best prompts and design suggestions and it'll still give you completely wrong or horribly written code.

sorry if it's not the case but i have the feeling you still think AI coding involves talking to a chatbox and copypasting the answers

Re: Zuckerberg says AI agent development going slower than expected

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Post by cafebabbe »

everdrive wrote: post #484
andreygrehov wrote: post #476

Who cares what Zuckerberg says about AI agents? He is a PHP developer from the early '00s who got lucky with Facebook. He's not an AI scientist or an AI researcher. What authority does he have to speak on the future of AI agents? Morale at his company is at an ATL, and that says more about his leadership skills he'd better off focusing on, otherwise the agents might replace him soon.

I don't like Zuckerberg whatsoever, but there are plenty of reasons you could potentially care about his opinion: - He could be well-placed to see whether AI agent development is successful since at a high level he oversees much of it, and will be getting detailed metrics and things. - Whether or not his opinion is correct, tech CEOs are notorious trend-chasers, and his opinion could set the tone for other companies.…

Honest question, is there a single successful large investment made by Meta recently ? I just know about the abject failures :)
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