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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by [deleted] »

trumpdong wrote: post #381
flumpcakes wrote: post #242

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> In the UK I'd be worried about being arbitrarily arrested, deported, and banned from re-entry. That's not going to happen unless you commit a serious crime, in which case it's not arbitrary. I can't think of a single case that's made the news. Meanwhile across the pond in America you have the nightly news reporting on children and people in cages screaming. People being rounded up for not being white. Little to no…

By "commit a serious crime" I assume you mean "publicly state that I support Palestine Action" or maybe "hold a blank sign at a protest". Those are serious crimes in the UK now. But as I said, the worst they're going to do is kick me out, not kill me, and that makes the difference.

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lwhi »

foldr wrote: post #509
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #504

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Yes, it does. If you read it properly you will see that policy is to treat accusations of racism as accurate whenever they are made. The reason why the police didn't act was because he was accused of being a racist. Again, I am not sure what the argument is: everyone has accepted that this is the case, policing minister, the police force, everyone...apart from you and people who have some obscure political axe to gri…

Someone being accused of being a racist isn’t a logical reason to deny them medical care, regardless of whether or not you believe the accusation. There is no policy that could possibly be construed as requiring this. And your claims about what the linked “policy” says (again, not actually a policy) are becoming increasingly outlandish, as anyone can easily verify. > The police issued a statement on Twitter, this was…

Exactly.

In all cases the first priority of a police officer will be to preserve life.

There's no policy in place that would supercede this.

I'm stick of having to listen to these uniformed arguments. There's no good that comes from holding these views; only division.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by iamnothere »

trumpdong wrote: post #499
iamnothere wrote: post #485

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Your friends and family and lawyers. Stop laying down and showing your belly. When are you going to start standing up for yourself?

How will they stop them?

File a lawsuit, and if that fails go to the media. Or do both at the same time. As bad as things are, we don’t live in 1984 or Soviet Russia yet, and this works for citizens. Maybe there’s one or two cases where this hasn’t worked, but that would be an extreme outlier. The courts still strongly support habeas corpus for citizens.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by me-vs-cat »

mikrotikker wrote: post #484
josephg wrote: post #146

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> At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld Some of ICE’s detainees may have different opinions on that point. The UK may endow her citizens with fewer rights. But I have a lot more trust in British due process. British civil servants seem much less … capricious than Americans. I was almost denied entry to Hawaii once because I told the CBP agent I didn’t have any cash on me. (My money is in a bank ac…

I mean, the argument is that ICE detainees are not citizens and thus don't get the protection, similar to foreigners engaging with CBP at the border

Have you looked at which sections of the constitution say "citizen" and which say "person"?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by somewhatgoated »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #508
somewhatgoated wrote: post #501

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Since there is such a staggering amount of evidence around, care to provide even a single piece?

Evidence for what?

That in Germany “they also arrest a guy for writing some random Arabic on a flag because Hamas also has a flag written in Arabic” - that was what I didn’t believe initially, and what you called me a bootlicker for lmao

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by bloqs »

diordiderot wrote: post #324
mattlondon wrote: post #219

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I think you have your numbers backwards regarding health. The US spends more (16% Vs 10 GDP), but preventable mortality, life expectancy, people living with chronic conditions etc are all worse than other developed nations: https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2023/05/26/a-comparative-ana... Plus the risk of being a victim of violence is higher in the US - you are 400% to 600% more likely to be murdered in the US than the…

> risk of being a victim of violence is higher in the US You really gotta look at how those numbers break down. Who's killing who and where. Be in the right places and you're much safer than anywhere in Europe

So let me get this straight, you have to 'the break the numbers down' to contextualise US safety, but you don't have to 'break the numbers down' to contextualise European safety?

Are you Tucker Carlson?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by [deleted] »

josephg wrote: post #146
shevy-java wrote: post #120

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Indeed, but the UK is in many ways words. At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld (give or take); in the UK you often don't even have such fundamental rights. The UK at present fits more to Russia than, e. g. European countries.

> At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld Some of ICE’s detainees may have different opinions on that point. The UK may endow her citizens with fewer rights. But I have a lot more trust in British due process. British civil servants seem much less … capricious than Americans. I was almost denied entry to Hawaii once because I told the CBP agent I didn’t have any cash on me. (My money is in a bank ac…

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by cmxch »

josephg wrote: post #146
shevy-java wrote: post #120

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Indeed, but the UK is in many ways words. At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld (give or take); in the UK you often don't even have such fundamental rights. The UK at present fits more to Russia than, e. g. European countries.

> At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld Some of ICE’s detainees may have different opinions on that point. The UK may endow her citizens with fewer rights. But I have a lot more trust in British due process. British civil servants seem much less … capricious than Americans. I was almost denied entry to Hawaii once because I told the CBP agent I didn’t have any cash on me. (My money is in a bank ac…

> By comparison, the British government seems far more civilised

Henry Nowak would disagree.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lukan »

cassianoleal wrote: post #507
lukan wrote: post #497

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You did not ask that: "ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them." You asked this: "> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU As opposed to what? Armed invasion?" Where trumpdong reploed with a affirmative "yes". So the worst they can do is kick someone out. No one demanded the EU should do armed invasion.

They complained kicking out the worst. I suggested one possible worse possibility (again, in a reductio ad absurdum rhetoric), trying to understand what they thought should be done more than "just kicking them out". They agreed with it. I don't know why you're taking their pain.

You seem to enjoy either pedantery to feel right, or genuinly missunderstood the conversation. And more pain I am not taking here.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by cassianoleal »

lukan wrote: post #519
cassianoleal wrote: post #507

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They complained kicking out the worst. I suggested one possible worse possibility (again, in a reductio ad absurdum rhetoric), trying to understand what they thought should be done more than "just kicking them out". They agreed with it. I don't know why you're taking their pain.

You seem to enjoy either pedantery to feel right, or genuinly missunderstood the conversation. And more pain I am not taking here.

I misunderstood the conversation I was having? Interesting.
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