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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by somehnguy »

ricardobeat wrote: post #261
mono442 wrote: post #77

Modern cars are horrible. I recently discovered that all new cars sold in the EU constantly beep at you for supposedly speeding, even though the system doesn’t work well, and it has to be turned off every time you start the car.

They beep when you go above the speed limit, and only for a couple seconds. If they do that 'constantly' the problem is in the driver's seat... It takes two seconds to turn off in my car (though by law it has to reset on every drive), but I never bother. In situations where it's "ok" to drive a little over the limit, it's a small price to pay and a gentle reminder.

I don't want it to beep at all. I don't want a reminder. The car is property of me, not the nanny state.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by dylan604 »

ezfe wrote: post #354
dylan604 wrote: post #315

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wow, did you read too much into that one my friend. of course it's not needed for using the car. it's needed to use the in dash mapping feature.

Okay so I read your comment to say you didn’t want their mapping service so assumed it was more broad. My bad. That being said, on re-reading the Toyota app does not require location/Bluetooth/Contacts to set up.

if it doesn't have bluetooth, how is it going to communicate with the device? if it doesn't have location, how's it going to operate the map? if it doesn't have contacts, how is it going to display the caller info on screen? what in the world are you talking about? after denying the app all of that information, there's not point in using the app which is precisely why i didn't use their app.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by embedding-shape »

sailfast wrote: post #482
GJim wrote: post #451

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Sure, and Volkswagen’s diesel cars are totally clean and pass emissions tests as written. Your trust in the law (EU law! Haha) to do the enforcing itself is nice, but history and lived experience tell me that these laws are going to be skirted if there’s money in it.

Of course, if you're under the misunderstanding that there is such a thing as "EU law", and you somehow think that "EU" is the one who's supposed to enforce EU member states laws, I understand it all looks funny. But once you sit down and learn how it actually works, I'm sure it'll make more sense even to you.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

advisedwang wrote: post #266
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #208

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> Automatic Emergency Braking is going to be required in the US in 2029 (detecting frontal crashes about to happen and automatically braking, including pedestrian detection). I'm never going to want to drive a car that has that.

Why? You presumably don't enjoy get into frontal crashes, are you worried about it doing false positives? Is that a significant issue?

Because I don't want anything in the vehicle apart from me deciding when I should brake.

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Post by embedding-shape »

GJim wrote: post #483
sailfast wrote: post #482

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Sure, and Volkswagen’s diesel cars are totally clean and pass emissions tests as written. Your trust in the law (EU law! Haha) to do the enforcing itself is nice, but history and lived experience tell me that these laws are going to be skirted if there’s money in it.

Sorry, I missed the bit where the company was fined, prosecuted, suffered a consumer backlash and subsequently brought their behaviour into check. Honestly, the number of people on here spreading FUD and defending the 'right' for the adtech industry to invade their private lives and treat them like shit is unreal. One could almost think their salaries are dependent on it!

Happens every time EU/Europe is mentioned, and most of it is sadly based around misconceptions and misunderstandings.

It's a shame, because in general HN tends to be well informed, but something about EU/Europe seems to make most commentators switch to "knee-jerk reactions" reply mode, rather than the usual thoughtful discussions.

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

bdamm wrote: post #367
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #208

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> Automatic Emergency Braking is going to be required in the US in 2029 (detecting frontal crashes about to happen and automatically braking, including pedestrian detection). I'm never going to want to drive a car that has that.

My car has AEB and it's great. I'll never drive another car without it. Why not take the energy out of the impact? Humans aren't perfect, and even less so as we age.

What impact?

Why do you think it's great?

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Post by sigio »

While it would be nice, I think this would instantly write-off the car in UK and western europe, as various connected features not working on cars that came with them, or are 'new enough' to require them, cause mandatory yearly tests (MOT / APK(NL)) to fail, meaning you can't legally drive the car again until these are fixed and re-tested.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by sigio »

barrkel wrote: post #296
djoldman wrote: post #246

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TIL: > eCall was made mandatory in all new cars approved for manufacture within the European Union as of April 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

It's one thing for something to be mandatory original equipment, it's another for them to be necessary for passing an inspection (MOT / roadworthiness certificates). It's not mandatory in many countries, AFAIK.

it is in the UK, if the car comes with the feature, it must function. A warning light on the dash is enough to invalidate the roadworthiness.

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Post by tavavex »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #66
IdiotSavage wrote: post #42

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Soon: ads on your HUD while you wait in traffic.

Last year we got a rental car when we were in Florida. When we first left the airport, we were using the navigation app that was in the car. First red light? Navigation app suddenly goes black and a commercial starts playing. My wife and I both look at each other like, "WTF is going on?!?" Light turns green commercial clips out and the navigation app starts working again. We waited to see if it happened at the next l…

Just be thankful the ads were on a display that you could disable. Soon, we'll have heads-up displays that project partially transparent videos over your windshield, so you literally can't drive without looking at an ad. And add in advertisements playing over the audio system on full blast with no way to turn it off.
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