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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by enochthered »

kelnos wrote: post #220

As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

I had the same emotional ride. I'm glad they've kept to the "brand promise" of being able to upgrade an old machine.

I'm two years into my fw 13 and think I'll start by upgrading the chassis. I also bought 64GB of DDR5 (it was on sale, if you can imagine such a thing) - The trackpad, speakers and battery are the parts of the machine that I don't really love so will be happy to upgrade those.

I think if I can I'll keep the silver top cover - A bit of a "I had a fw before they were cool" statement

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Post by pxc »

sdoering wrote: post #84
jampekka wrote: post #13

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> Having mainline Linux on a system with 24h+ battery life in a 13" case is pretty damn impressive. Does it have such battery life on Linux? The benchmarks, apart from suspend battery life, are for Windows.

Can't attest to framework, but after switching to an arch based syttem on my Quite low level HP Envy 13'' I get about 130% - 170% of time out of the system. Yes, I am running mostly in dark mode now. Yes, I am using the terminal significantly more often now (80% of the time). But also I have always a browser, always Slack, WhatsApp, Obsidian and more often than not a few other things running on virtual screens. Just…

Wow. For as long as I can remember it was usually the opposite for me. Even after configuring TLP and looking for things to tune manually with powertop, I usually didn't get battery usage quite as low as I wanted. I thought it was still typical for Windows to be better.

Are you running a DE or just a lightweight WM?

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Post by poisonsnak »

ciupicri wrote: post #453

> with excellent Linux support So can we finally update the firmware for the Sandisk SN7100 and 850X SSDs under Linux? Last time I've checked you couldn't even download the firmware for WD 850X using a plain browser. You had to use their "special" Windows software.

There's a github project that helps with this https://github.com/not-a-feature/wd_fw_update , or you can manually browse https://sddashboarddownloads.sandisk.com/wdDashboard/config/... to find and download your firmware, and install it with nvme-cli. I've done it quite a few times.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by enochthered »

tuckerman wrote: post #35
rglover wrote: post #7

Has anyone made the jump from a Mac to Framework as a daily driver? This is the first model to get my attention as a possible candidate for a full switch to Linux.

I did last year after deciding that Apple's software just isn't for me anymore. I've always had a Linux desktop around (and used to daily drive Linux on a laptop years ago) so I was happy to consolidate on my preferred platform. Biggest gripes I had are: A) battery life (both during use and standby just kinda sucking on Linux in general compared to os x, not exactly framework specific but I did get used to how amazin…

All the same gripes from me. None enough to be a deal breaker, but every once in a while I'll do something on my GFs macbook pro and be blown away by how solid it feels.

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Post by VectorLock »

ghqst wrote: post #348
Trollmann wrote: post #122

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Same, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.

Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.

Is the software that makes them so pleasant to use available on Linux?

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Post by jychang »

noosphr wrote: post #493
jszymborski wrote: post #346

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> That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. It's sorta essential imo if they want to make good on their one value-prop: repairability and the good will that comes with it. If they start releasing a tonne of SKUs with a million different parts, they'll inevitably have to sunset parts at a clip that'll completely make useless their repairability claims. I am a happy Framework laptop owner, but I paid a prem…

Parts are open source. Other people can keep making them. There's franken think pads from China that use a x61 chassis made 15 years after the release. I had a soup of them before I moved to framework for my daily drivers.

That's not open source. That's like decompiling closed source software years after support ended, in order to make a patch.

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Post by Gigachad »

pmontra wrote: post #411
ghqst wrote: post #348

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Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.

It's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.

The MacBook software is so good that I’ve never had issues with misclicks or movement despite your palms sitting on it while typing.

Long ago I installed Linux on a MacBook and found it unusable because of clicks and movement while typing. It’s probably improved these days though.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by stavros »

DanHulton wrote: post #499

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use. How is it that Apple is the only company these days( ) that consistently gets this right? ( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

Real developers use hjkl, which, if this keyboard uses QMK like their previous ones, you can just remap to actual arrows (with a modifier key). I am only slightly joking.
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