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Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by anthonypasq »

wolvoleo wrote: post #386
anthonypasq wrote: post #248

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so you just dont think people making video content should make money in any way? if you hate ads that much dont watch any creators that have sponsored content. oh wait, the only way they can make videos that good is because they make money and are professionals. doh!

No, I think they shouldn't be double dipping. If I pay for premium I want no ads whatsoever. Not for the content creators to sneak some in anyway. And no I don't tend to watch many with sponsor crap in them because they aren't actually very good (think the low-quality crap from LTT etc). The best channels (EEVBlog is one notable one) don't have sponsors at all because they're made for love. What I am not doing is wat…

ok so you actually dont think they should be single dipping because you use ublock origin and sponsorblock?

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Post by daedrdev »

layer8 wrote: post #418
satvikpendem wrote: post #358

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Your definition of ad is too narrow then, because those are all different types of ads. A store advertising its goods or even having billboard ads saying the store is at such and such street is, well, an ad.

Directories aren’t ads. The crucial feature would be that nobody would have to pay to get listed, or only a small nominal fee that anyone can afford. Like in a phonebook. Paying for placement is what makes an ad. And that’s what would have to be prohibited.

companies have to pay to get their products on shelve in many grocery stores

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Post by tpmoney »

shimman wrote: post #419
tracker1 wrote: post #276

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There's no such thing as a level playing field... you think EVERY brand can fit on store shelves for discovery?

This is entirely a human construct, we can absolutely make it a level playing field if we collectively choose so. What a sad comment.

You can make it more level, but in any system constrained by the physical world, you can never make it completely level.

Ever notice that there used to be a lot of businesses with names like "A+ Heating and Cooling" or "AAA Chimney Sweeps"? That was because being at the top of the phone book's alphabetical listing was more likely to get you business since a lot of people would open to a section, start at the top and start calling.

There's only so much shelf space to go around, eventually decisions will be made about who can put their products on a given shelf.

Any large business with the ability to produce multiple different products will inherently have the advantage of getting more shelf space assuming you want to display all products.

But even assuming you just wanted your shelf space to be a bunch of "per company" catalogs, businesses with more money to spend on glossier catalogs, or brighter inks, or more variations so thicker catalogs will have an advantage.

Then there's names and numbers. Hooked on Phonics gets a leg up on every other competing reading program because they got the phone number that is 1-800-ABC-DEFG, no one else can have that number. The lawyer who gets 1-800-555-5555 (or other similarly easy to remember number) has a leg up on anyone with a random number out of the phone company's inventory.

But I'm curious, what would this perfectly level field you envision look like? How would these sorts of problems be solved?

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Post by aembleton »

Tanoc wrote: post #502
transcriptase wrote: post #489

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If you watch him on Joe Rogan’s podcast he gives a full overview of how every single tiny detail down to colors, length of scene cuts, facial expressions, language, total length of videos, time of day for release, thumbnails, sound effects, music is extensively A/B tested to not only optimize for the algorithm but for hijacking people’s attention as well. That weird creepy face with the outline and uncanny smoothing…

This seems like innately hostile behaviour. Not to other video creators, but to his audience. Stripping as much as he can using data and mathematics is the kind of thing engineers do to pull more out of a machine, not something you do when you're creating informal communications to other humans.

With enough humans, it starts to look like a machine

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by dang »

bambax wrote: post #458

Original title was > Vienam Bans Unskippable Ads, Requires Skip Button to Appear After 5 Seconds If we need to edit titles, could we at least take the opportunity to correct obvious typos? (Missing the t in Vietnam)

Yikes! not sure how we missed tha.

Fixed now.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by tintor »

xvector wrote: post #328
elashri wrote: post #227

I hate ads with all my heart. And I go out of my way to religiously block them. I employ DNS blocking (through my own adguard home server) on my whole network (I use this DNS server connected to unbound to act as recursive DNS on all devices even when I am outside home). I use ublock origin on Firefox browser (one of the forks that guts Firefox ads and privacy settings by default) and on my iPhone I use wipr + uBlock…

Companies are not obligated to provide you with services for free. You are free to solely use non ad supported services.

And he is free to use free ad-supported services and not watch ads.

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Post by BeetleB »

xp84 wrote: post #342
kfarr wrote: post #114

As much as this may have unintended consequences, I can appreciate the motivation. I can't let my kids play iPhone games unless I turn the device into Airplane mode. Almost all these pay to play mobile games have 60 second interstitials after each level that can't be skipped. It's insane. I've taught my kids how to force kill the game and reload to get out. Definitely depressing compared to the PC shareware days I gr…

As a fellow parent, I cannot recommend Apple Arcade enough. My son is only allowed to play games that come from AA. These games aren't allowed to have any ads or in-app purchase. In return, you pay seven measly bucks a month (though I have it included as part of a package since we use iCloud and Apple Music and Apple TV+ anyway). The games in AA are either made for Apple Arcade (some great indie type games) or, very…

Know of an equivalent for Android?

I'm leaning towards letting the kid play games only on an XBox and never on the phone. Even if I get rid of the ads, I don't want the games to be accessible wherever they are. Whereas with a TV, they need to situate themselves in a dedicated place to play games.

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Post by al_borland »

pyth0 wrote: post #410
al_borland wrote: post #85

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I pay for YouTube Premium, which would in theory pull me out of the perverse incentive structure around an ad-based model. Yet I feel like I still get pushed toward all the same “features” of ad-funded accounts. I find it incredibly frustrating and keep sending feature requests and reporting site issues as a result.

Can you explain what features you're talking about? Do you mean stuff like "shorts"?

Autoplay keeps turning itself back on. I’ve probably turned it off a dozen times now.

The other autoplay, where it starts playing stuff while browsing. I’ve tuned this off many times too.

The massive thumbnails so I can only see 2 thumbnails on the screen, I’m not sure what the advantage is here other than better tracking what you linger on. They also get bigger on the active row, so if I see a video I might want on the 2nd cut off row, then make it my active row, the thumbnails get bigger and I can’t see it anymore. I lose context due to this all the time and it drives me nuts.

Shorts, yes, but not just Shorts in the Recommendations, but Shorts dominating search results, where it almost doesn’t show traditional videos anymore. In the browser you can filter search results for videos vs shorts, but not on the AppleTV.

It keeps showing big banners with a demo video next to it for features Premium users can get… it’s an ad for something I’ve already signed up for. I report these as spam.

The games. I’ve never once played one, yet they are prominently displayed in my recommendations.

I think as a Premium user I should be able to choose what screen the app opens into, or what is on my home page. I’d like my watch later list, for example. Instead, it just randomly mixes some of those into the recommendations and it may or may not make it clear which ones those are.

I know there is more, and some big ones I’m missing, but those are some of the things they come to mind.

Re: Vietnam bans unskippable ads

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Post by orbital-decay »

Tanoc wrote: post #502
transcriptase wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watch him on Joe Rogan’s podcast he gives a full overview of how every single tiny detail down to colors, length of scene cuts, facial expressions, language, total length of videos, time of day for release, thumbnails, sound effects, music is extensively A/B tested to not only optimize for the algorithm but for hijacking people’s attention as well. That weird creepy face with the outline and uncanny smoothing…

This seems like innately hostile behaviour. Not to other video creators, but to his audience. Stripping as much as he can using data and mathematics is the kind of thing engineers do to pull more out of a machine, not something you do when you're creating informal communications to other humans.

Attention engineering is how the charts are topped. Media producers knew this decades before the social media, and perfected it by the late 90's. Avoiding extremely popular stuff is just common sense if you want any real authenticity.
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