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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by selkin »

simpaticoder wrote: post #323

I see lots of good ideas about changing the selection process. Another option is to change is to change the new hire process and require employers to advertise every recent H1B hiring decision for 60 days, including job description and resume. Then a native with an equal or better resume, and a willingness to fill the role, can raise their hand and offer to replace that person. If a native with a better resume is den…

Employers already have to publish H1-B applications, including wages (but not personal information of the applicants, which would be a very bad idea to publish).

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Post by joquarky »

nerpderp82 wrote: post #455
bregma wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wrote "incidentally" but I think you meant "intentionally". There is no evidence it's a coincidence, but there is a great deal of evidence that it is not.

This drives a lot of the opposition to single payer insurance from the corporate world. They lose leverage as it would increase wages and labor mobility.

One of the main reasons why annual raises have become so miniscule is because health insurance costs are rising significantly faster than inflation.

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Post by joquarky »

kccqzy wrote: post #482
lazide wrote: post #450

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That is not a UX issue, that is blatant immigration fraud my man. The reason they are required to readvertise is because the visa they are on is for jobs that cannot be filled by a local , so if the job can actually be filled by a local, that person should lose the visa and have to leave (or find another job that supports them being here). That isn’t a technicality, except the prior admins allowed it to be. Does that…

You do not know enough about immigration and are spewing falsehoods. First, a visa is not permission to stay in the U.S. A foreigner can have an expired visa and a valid status to be in the U.S. (they can take their time at their leisure to apply for one). Conversely they can have an unexpired visa but no permission to be in the U.S. (such as when they have a H-1B visa but is actually unemployed for a long time). Sec…

You're talking in ideals, while others are talking praxis.

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Post by _heimdall »

collingreen wrote: post #485
_heimdall wrote: post #312

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Can we really consider it the free market when there are already so many regulations in place?

I don't think the "free" in free market is supposed to mean no rules. I think the "free" is supposed to mean both sides of the transactions get to choose to participate or not which means they are pressured to "meet in the middle" and optimize for mutually beneficial deals. The idea is that this is going to provide better outcomes than trying to plan out what everyone makes and buys from the top. Overregulation can r…

I totally agree that there are two extremes to the idea and neither are realistic. A market doesn't have to be completely free of regulation to be considered free.

There's a balance though, and as heavily regulated as immigration is I just don't see how it could fall into the range of being a roughly free market. Work-based immigration into the US specifically is heavily regulated and there are a lot of blocks in the way making it infeasible or impossible for one to take part in it.

I mean that on both sides too, both employers and potential employees are heavily burdened by the process and often they just can't take part in the process for any number of regulatory reasons.

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Post by Amezarak »

hvb2 wrote: post #504
Amezarak wrote: post #501

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I’d qualify as a senior and like I said, hundreds of apps and not even an interview - very different from 5+ years ago, where almost 50% of apps resulted in an interview. When you’re a hiring manager, you need to do whatever it takes to be the first filter, or at least get the permissions needed to see candidates excluded by recruiting/hR. This is crazy and I don’t understand it but HR and recruiters do not pass alon…

You cannot compare between years like that. There are ups and downs, currently we're certainly not in an up except for special skills I guess. 5 years ago all of big tech massively overhired, they let go a lot of people later, so that's not a fair comparison. Also, you cannot expect a hiring manager to do everything. If the company decides I shouldn't be spending my time screening candidates then that's not what I do…

It sounds like you’re saying the job market imploded in the last five years. In that case, it seems like we should halt h1b visas until it recovers.

> Also, you cannot expect a hiring manager to do everything. If the company decides I shouldn't be spending my time screening candidates then that's not what I do.

Maybe it’s different for you. I hire people I have to work with, so I am going to do whatever it takes to make sure I get good candidates. I can’t imagine a better possible use of my time.

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Post by Amezarak »

hvb2 wrote: post #506
Amezarak wrote: post #503

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It sounds like we need high tariffs to exclude products made in countries without living wages and strong worker protections from the American market, in addition to cutting off the pipeline of cheap labor to the US.

They might be living wages in those countries. You can save a lot of money by not living like the average American. It's the standard of living that Americans expect. In order to afford that you need x amount of money. For example, if people in a different country don't need a car (let alone 2) and live in a 800sqft home with a family of 4. What does that mean for an acceptable minimum wage? I don't even know what yo…

As someone who worked in the farming and restaurant industries, and whose family continues to work in that and construction, it’s always baffling to me to see people insist Americans just won’t do it.

But yes, undercutting the labor market with immigration policy is wrong for Americans as a whole and a big giveaway to the business class. Yes, paying Americans a higher labor rate would raise prices to their natural level (much less than you would think in most cases, particularly food) and reduce income inequality.

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Post by tmule »

srameshc wrote: post #468
tmule wrote: post #278

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This is a remarkable claim. Not a single Indian in tech that I know in my personal or professional life - numbering over a hundred - has ever disputed that Indians have strong (sub)ethnic affinities that color their views hiring. In addition, nepotism is a real thing in Indian culture. I’d be laughed out of a room with aforesaid folks if I claimed “Indian managers have a tendency to hire anyone else but Indians”. Thi…

> Not a single Indian in tech that I know in my personal or professional life Your dataset is very small. I come from India

Yeah, Sherlock, where do you think I come from if I know upward of 100 Indians well enough to discuss ethnic nepotism with?

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Post by Bratmon »

epolanski wrote: post #192
back2dafucha wrote: post #112

Old news. This has been going on for decades. If you even look badly on youtube you will find corporate videos from "HR Consultants" teaching companies how to bury job listings so noone will be likely to find them. Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago.

> Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago. Jm2c but I think the harsh truth is that US while having a decently sized population of good software engineers, it is still nowhere near the required amount. Thus, many companies would rather give 150/200k to someone who's actually good at it and will be impressed by that money rather than some half assed US graduate who only went into SE because he wanted a cushy…

That's an obvious lie. If it were true, companies wouldn't be suing to keep their job postings hidden from American citizens (source: the article)

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Post by Bratmon »

ab_testing wrote: post #287

I think the hill is trying to create a narrative here. The law specifically states to post job postings in newspapers and it is congress's fault if they have not updated the laws. As per PERM regulations (20 C.F.R. §656.17): For professional positions (those requiring a bachelor’s degree or higher), the employer must conduct two Sunday newspaper advertisements in a newspaper of general circulation in the area of inte…

I don't understand how that justifies Instacart suing the organization that is reposting the job ads in a more accessible way.
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