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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by DaSHacka »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #247
epolanski wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your country sold you down the river 30 years ago. Jm2c but I think the harsh truth is that US while having a decently sized population of good software engineers, it is still nowhere near the required amount. Thus, many companies would rather give 150/200k to someone who's actually good at it and will be impressed by that money rather than some half assed US graduate who only went into SE because he wanted a cushy…

How dare that loser want a cushy, well paying job. This is America, that's not allowed for them. We like our workers desperate.

This, I cannot believe how all the most pro-workers rights people I know also support "open borders"-like philosophies.

What do you think is going to happen to your bargaining power as an employee when your employer has an infinite workforce to draw from?

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Post by truffet »

SilverElfin wrote: post #124
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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What makes you think they’re racist versus just hiring the best available talent? There are more Indians in universities than the general population, and a lot more of them in engineering degrees than other degrees. It makes sense there are lots of Indians in some industries, both in the management roles and in the populations that managers are hiring from.

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Post by novia »

whatever1 wrote: post #231

For some visa types, companies are obligated to prove that they advertised the position to American citizens. Failed, hence they needed the foreigner. This is a huge dealbreaker for campus hires, and specifically masters/PhDs who are, well, by definition, specialized in their field and hence very rare. So you recruit at her graduation the girl who has done groundbreaking research in deep neural nets and is the key to…

> She happens to be non-American (because the majority of graduates are non-Americans)

Is this not by itself a problem?

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Post by austhrow743 »

AuthError wrote: post #279
handoflixue wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely curious: why do we need H1B visas for artists? My understanding is that H1B visas are meant to cover highly-skilled work that can't be done by locals, and "art" doesn't seem like a field with a shortage of local candidates?

this also holds true for chemical, biomedical researchers, mechanical engineers working in deep tech, software engineering is such an anomaly that it's hard to do income based lottery without overindexing on swe market

What does overindexing on the swe market mean?

If these other professions don’t pay as much as swe, then doesn’t that indicate that domestic supply is meeting those industries needs better than it is swe?

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Post by ab_testing »

I think the hill is trying to create a narrative here. The law specifically states to post job postings in newspapers and it is congress's fault if they have not updated the laws.

As per PERM regulations (20 C.F.R. §656.17):

For professional positions (those requiring a bachelor’s degree or higher), the employer must conduct two Sunday newspaper advertisements in a newspaper of general circulation in the area of intended employment.

For non-professional positions, at least one Sunday ad is required.

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Post by esbranson »

See for example a recent lawsuit accusing Tesla of running a systemic, ongoing scheme to replace or exclude US citizens in favor of H-1B visa employees.[1][2]

> Tesla prefers to hire these candidates [H-1B workers] over U.S. citizens, as it can pay visa-dependent employees less than American employees performing the same work, a practice in the industry known as “wage theft.”

> At the same time Tesla applied for these visa applications, it laid off more than 6,000 workers across the United States. On information and belief, Tesla laid off these workers, the vast majority of whom are U.S. citizens, so that it could replace them with non-citizen visa workers.

> The email also bluntly stated that the Tesla position was for “H1B only” and that “Travel history/i94 are a must” (i.e., proof of legal entry into the U.S.).

[1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71325887/taub-v-tesla-i...

[2] https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/lawsuit-say...

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Post by bottlepalm »

joshcsimmons wrote: post #68

So grateful to see this being picked up by mainstream news outlets. Anecdotally I know quite a few engineers with experience ranging from small startup to long FAANG tenures that cannot even get an interview. It makes no sense to source outside of the US when qualified American workers cannot get jobs. At some point that became a radical stance and I'm sure I'll be flamed for it here.

It's crazy. We have some job openings. 500 applications each. 95% of them are people who did their undergraduate in India and graduate degree in America. My interviews this week have been 9/10 people with thick accents, terrible answers, not sure what the hell is going on.

Is it HR, is it the leadership directing HR? No idea, but it feels like the company is shooting itself in the foot. Especially a growing company where these jobs are high responsibility and require a lot of initiative. I just don't see it happening with these candidates. Getting a simple point across takes long enough.

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Post by bottlepalm »

sciencesama wrote: post #40

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Posted more info in a separate thread, but our latest req had 500 applicants. 95% from India with their grad degree in America. I spent 10 hours his week trying to do technical interviews with people I could barely understand. F me.
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