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Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

eviks wrote: post #325
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't ignore the context of this discussion. Someone just said anyone who believes in privacy and content restrictions is stupid. Except those two concepts are compatible.

The context of this discussion is political realities of censorship, an area where your theoretical proof of compatibility means nothing.

Since I live in America I should give up on climate change and healthcare and childcare and housing and all forms of protections of rights, because our internal beliefs and goals at all times must always be a reflection of the state of the real world.

You can't hope or advocate for a better future? That's silly.

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Post by hyperdimension »

SlowTao wrote: post #387
protocolture wrote: post #326

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Suddenly? Australia used to have energy for protesting this sort of shit, but its all spent. We used to have a pretty decently funded anti internet censorship lobby. It died in the 2010s. Since then its just been hit after hit after hit. Any minute justification is seized upon to wind up internet freedoms. Former PM Turncoat said “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australi…

I think a key point of it is that those in power know that if there is bipartisan support, they can ignore all protests. All the campaigns I was involved in for well over a decade achieved absolutely nothing because of this. It is worse than that now, seeing the screws slowly get tightened on peaceful protests makes this even worse. They cant just ignore it but actively suppress it and get away with it. A few years b…

Did you post the essay anywhere? I've always had kind of a soft spot for Ted--not his actions, mind, but his manifesto raises some rather prescient ideas. I also think he was..."justified" in a sense; again, not in his actions, but his decision to check out of society, only for society to come back to get him.

I'm happy to be proven wrong about any of that though. It's been quite a few years since I read it.

I completely agree with your "Children of Ted" hypothesis, for that matter. Historically, oppression births revolutionaries, for better or worse.

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Post by tamirzb »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #45
m101 wrote: post #20

Perhaps this will mean a version of YouTube comes out without YouTube shorts integration. YouTube shorts, imo, legitimises the govts complaint.

I really wish there was a version of YT in Android that did not come with YT Shorts. As a YT Premium user, I should be able to disable it, or at least not make it the first thing it opens when I tap on the app icon. I mean, a legit app, not a 3rd party one that'll get my Google account banned eventually. I had to delete it, using: $ adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.google.android.youtube It lasted a month for me t…

If you are worried about your Google account being banned for using ReVanced (not that I saw any evidence for anything like that so far but I agree that there could be a scenario like this some time in the future), for years now I've been using a separate Google account only for YouTube. This account essentially only contains my YouTube viewing history and nothing more. I have yet to see any disadvantage in this separation

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Post by giantg2 »

Aurornis wrote: post #302
giantg2 wrote: post #112

Its a little bit of a stretch to call YouTube social media. There are tons of great instructional videos. The real kicker to me is that the government has passed a law restricting access yet they haven't determined how they're going to enforce an age check. It's wild that they passed a law without consideration to it's mechanics or feasibility.

> Its a little bit of a stretch to call YouTube social media. There are tons of great instructional videos. It’s clearly social media. It consists of user-generated content and has discussion features. There’s a big problem with tech people coming up with their own definition of social media that exclusively includes sites they don’t use (TikTok, Facebook) but conveniently excludes sites they do like (YouTube, Discor…

What I like has no bearing on what I consider social media. When I use YouTube, I don't connect or interact with others. I'm just consuming content similar to Netflix. Maybe the comments section could be considered that. However, that means any site with comments is social media - news sites, stores with reviews, etc.

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

isaacremuant wrote: post #385

> Artificial intelligence has supercharged the spread of misinformation on social media platforms such as YouTube, said Adam Marre, chief information security officer at cyber security firm Arctic Wolf. There's no bigger purveyor of "misinformation" than the Australian government. An authoritarian disgusting pool of corruption and hypocritical righteousness. But people get what they deserve, having pushed for authori…

The Juice Media on youtube, is always a fun watch.

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Post by johnisgood »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #253
Bukhmanizer wrote: post #126

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If you didn’t realize that making teens verify their age online meant that everyone had to verify their age and identity online, that’s just a dangerous level of stupidity. The issue is everyone wants some quick and easy solution when the truth is we’re going to need to get much more intentional as a society about this. Take phone bans. Everyone wants to ban phones from schools/classrooms, but the truth is in a lot o…

There are zero knowledge proof systems that nobody would have a problem with because nobody ever knows who is accessing the content, only that they are allowed or not. Ironic to call people aware of this stupid.

zk-SNARK would have worked for age verification while remaining anonymous.

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Post by johnisgood »

jezzamon wrote: post #371
stephen_g wrote: post #314

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From here in Australia, nobody was really asking for this here. Best I can tell it came from a single but sustained pressure campaign by one of the Murdoch newspapers. Then the Government gamed some survey polling to make it look like there was support for it (asking questions that assumed an impossible perfect system that could magically block under-16s with no age verification for adults). Still, over 40% of parent…

As an Australian living overseas, I heard about this on social media from friends / celebrities pushing for this to become a law so I disagree that no-one was asking for it. FWIW I'm personally happy it's becoming a law

> FWIW I'm personally happy it's becoming a law

Are you going to be impacted by it?

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Post by johnisgood »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #247
andriamanitra wrote: post #158

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It's not too much effort to find µBlock Origin filter lists that hide them. The only time I see YouTube shorts is when I deliberately navigate to the shorts tab on a channel page.

Right but the point is to be able to block the shorts on my teens phone while still allowing him to benefit from all the useful stuff on YT

He literally just told you the solution. Install uBlock Origin on your teens' phone and use the right filter list. Unless of course, they are smart enough.

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Post by johnisgood »

quintes wrote: post #447
quintes wrote: post #311

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I learnt drums for a song I like from shorts. Blanket bans are not a solution

Why do I get down voted for this?

Not sure. People just dislike shorts, and they hate it so much that your experiences are irrelevant and get invalidated.
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