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Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by protocolture »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #183
SilverElfin wrote: post #62

Why are so many countries like Australia, UK, EU, etc suddenly pro censorship. Aren’t these all liberal democracies? I would think these policies would be very unpopular. Is there some analysis of how this came to be normalized?

I'm an australian who completed the esafety survey which helped guide this policy. I pushed for anonymous temporary age verification tokens generated through a government app. Social media is undermining the fabric of our societies and destroying a whole generations emotional development. I support this- in part because I know those who want to get around enough or be private will always find a way, but it has a posi…

I see, props for admitting you are part of the problem.

Next time dont do that.

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Post by eviks »

stephen_g wrote: post #314
forgotoldacc wrote: post #46

A couple months ago, I saw people everywhere online (including HN) saying they love the idea of social media bans for kids. They love the idea of keeping people under 18 safe from the dangers of porn and mature games and other unclean things as well. Now governments around the world are acting in unison to happily give those people what they want, and people are suddenly confused and pissed that these laws mean you n…

From here in Australia, nobody was really asking for this here. Best I can tell it came from a single but sustained pressure campaign by one of the Murdoch newspapers. Then the Government gamed some survey polling to make it look like there was support for it (asking questions that assumed an impossible perfect system that could magically block under-16s with no age verification for adults). Still, over 40% of parent…

> From here in Australia, nobody was really asking for this here. > Still, over 40% of parents said that 15s and under should be able to access Facebook and Instagram

So a whopping 60% were asking for it!!!

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Post by Tyr42 »

koolba wrote: post #292
frereubu wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That feature isn't what I think the parent comment is asking for. What you've linked to is specifically YouTube Kids, and it's groups of channels whitelisted by the YouTube team. What I think the parent comment is asking for, and I want too, is full availability of all YouTube channels, but the ability to block everything except whitelisted channels. I agree, it's too niche a product. But I often think that people wh…

I want the Netflix version of this. An account that is completely empty except for shows that I add. And not for kids, I just want an empty library that I can fill myself.

Arrr, there's a way to do that, just not a way to pay for it.

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Post by eviks »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #297
heavyset_go wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero knowledge proofs don't matter, these verification systems already exist and they require you to show live video of your face to confirm you're the actual living person that matches your credentials. You could have a completely anonymous tech solution to this, but it doesn't matter, because platforms and governments want video proof of life and identity, and they want to keep the data.

Don't ignore the context of this discussion. Someone just said anyone who believes in privacy and content restrictions is stupid. Except those two concepts are compatible.

The context of this discussion is political realities of censorship, an area where your theoretical proof of compatibility means nothing.

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Post by protocolture »

SilverElfin wrote: post #62

Why are so many countries like Australia, UK, EU, etc suddenly pro censorship. Aren’t these all liberal democracies? I would think these policies would be very unpopular. Is there some analysis of how this came to be normalized?

Suddenly?

Australia used to have energy for protesting this sort of shit, but its all spent.

We used to have a pretty decently funded anti internet censorship lobby. It died in the 2010s.

Since then its just been hit after hit after hit. Any minute justification is seized upon to wind up internet freedoms.

Former PM Turncoat said “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” That was 2017. And so far its been a bipartisan position.

The truth is that industry used to also oppose censorship. But its been completely captured. Every time one of these censorship proposals come through, Ausnog gets the usual "Should we act this time?" emails, and nothing comes of it.

Its over. Freedom of Communication is dead in this country, instead of our politicians.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by sunaookami »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #217
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #191

Adding some context which is sorely missing: Our government intends to spruik this at the UN and get other countries on board. Our government has said there will always be a non id method Youtube will still be accessible it is just the account making/usership which will be banned Posting my threaded comment higher up: I'm an australian who completed the esafety survey which helped guide this policy. I pushed for anon…

Your admiration for the nanny state is actually revolting.

So frustrating spending years fighting against censorship, people protested on the streets when SOPA and ACTA were a thing and now they are advocating for even more dangerous censorship. ACTA hasn't become law but internet censorship is on an unprecedented level in Europe (see Spain).

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Post by protocolture »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #106
SilverElfin wrote: post #62

Why are so many countries like Australia, UK, EU, etc suddenly pro censorship. Aren’t these all liberal democracies? I would think these policies would be very unpopular. Is there some analysis of how this came to be normalized?

I'm an everyday Australian, I'll take a few guesses. (I don't support these new laws) 1. we don't have as an antagonistic relationship with our government and we trust that most of what will be banned will be gross stuff we don't want weirdos watching. 2. I think most people feel social media really is breaking young people, and its easier if all kids are banned than just trying to ban your own kids. It's really hard…

>we don't have as an antagonistic relationship with our government

They have one with us.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by protocolture »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #191

Adding some context which is sorely missing: Our government intends to spruik this at the UN and get other countries on board. Our government has said there will always be a non id method Youtube will still be accessible it is just the account making/usership which will be banned Posting my threaded comment higher up: I'm an australian who completed the esafety survey which helped guide this policy. I pushed for anon…

>Yes they did bring families with children who had passed from social media abuse on stage but it felt genuine

Ghoulish

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by eviks »

SilverElfin wrote: post #62

Why are so many countries like Australia, UK, EU, etc suddenly pro censorship. Aren’t these all liberal democracies? I would think these policies would be very unpopular. Is there some analysis of how this came to be normalized?

> Aren’t these all liberal democracies?

Not in the idealistic sense that you imply, so this has always been normalized, and variations of such policies have always been implemented

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