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Material 3 Expressive

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Post by insin »

pen2l wrote: post #430
bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

I've opined about the atrocious announcement pages from Google before (across the board they are offensively sucky), but to give that a rest and speak on-topic about the announcement in question -- good lord what a step back it is, how ugly, insipid, spiritless, and unimpressive it is. Expressive? It's exactly the opposite. Material team, what have you got against shadows, soft bevels, borders, those 2px worth of ado…

I've been using Flutter again recently because every time I need a workout timer, I spend ages looking for non-adware/crapware in mobile app stores then just writing my own.

This latest version exists because the previous one bit rot so hard it wouldn't compile any more and got removed from the Play Store (and the NHS Couch to 5k app I wanted to use was region-locked). Flutter web output still sucks, but it's better than dealing with any amount of Xcode or Android builds for a one-user app:

https://flutter-workout-timers.netlify.app/

I also used it as an opportunity to create separate Material and Cupertino versions you can switch between, and Material 3 just looks like... well, the complete opposite of expressive. I could just be holding it wrong, of course.

The M3 docs I consulted while making it have always been diabolical, with the most overblown, laggy delayed image loading/placeholder stuff I've ever seen, even on a powerful desktop with fast internet.

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Post by dmix »

formerly_proven wrote: post #475
thewebguyd wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By contrast, Apple, which is often praised for its product aesthetics, never makes marketing content like this about its design language. It may present creating emojis as a huge feature or inflate some of its claims a bit, but in general, they let the product do the talking. On top of that, when Apple makes a change or does a redesign, it's usually not overly disruptive (new macOS settings aside). The core functio…

> it's usually not overly disruptive (new macOS settings aside). The core functionality and layouts remain more or less the same ios 18 photos app?

Similar to Settings app I think the Photos app was because they rewrote it in Swift.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by jonahx »

Lammy wrote: post #487
CharlesW wrote: post #481

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lol no it did not https://www.voronoiapp.com/markets/Dr-Pepper-Ties-Pepsi-as-A...

I'm not talking about the company's effectiveness in selling sugar-water with the branding attached; I'm talking about the branding's effectiveness at being remembered. A person wants to criticize some unrelated UI design and the very first thing that comes to their mind is “lol this reminds me of The Gravitational Pull of Pepsi!!”. It will live forever.

You're assuming the goal of the marketing is merely "to be remembered". But it's not. It's to be remembered in some positive way, or at least some way that still increases sales. This campaign will live forever as a laughing stock. That wasn't its intention.

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Post by Groxx »

0x457 wrote: post #324
dgimla20 wrote: post #37

Material Design v1 cracked it. It was simple to implement, simple to understand and simple to use. Minimal overheads with a clear content-first approach. "It's time to move beyond “clean” and “boring” designs to create interfaces that connect with people on an emotional level." I don't want websites and apps to connect with me on an emotional level. I want to turn my phone/computer on, use the app/program to achieve…

> Material Design v1 I think it was the worst one. At least from an interoperability perspective: sure, a giant floating "+" in a circle in notes app on a mobile device is alright CTA to add a new note, but on anything bigger than that (even an iPad screen) it's bad. Apps and websites using it felt like "Work in Progress, we will style it later" except there was no later it was already styled and was just ugly.

As much as I generally like MDv1: I hate those floating buttons with a passion.

They can occasionally work. But the vast majority of the time they simply get in the way and can't be hidden, because you're in a content-edge-case that doesn't scroll far enough, or you simply reached the end and they didn't leave after-end padding to make room for it. And very few actions are so important that you want to display it over everything else, for the same reasons that everyone recommends against popups.

Just put it in the freaking toolbar. Top or bottom, I don't care.

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Post by notpushkin »

vasusen wrote: post #344
jamalaramala wrote: post #191

Oh my god, this is ugly as fuck. It reminds me a study about the perception of beauty among students of arts. Before they start their studies, their perception of beauty is similar to everyone's. But as they go through their course, their perception starts to shift. What they see as "beautiful" doesn't match the perception of others. They learn what "skeuomorphism" is, and suddenly everything must be flat and undiffe…

I agree, this looks like designers showing off to other designers. It looks suspiciously similar to Dropbox's 2017 design system that thankfully never became mainstream -- https://www.awwwards.com/inspiration/dropbox-design-system

The only thing I see on the Awwwards page is the GIF of Sharp Grotesk font family, which is used on Dropbox homepage. dropbox.design doesn’t open for me, so I’m not sure about other elements of their redesign.

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Post by fn-mote »

jonahx wrote: post #513
Lammy wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about the company's effectiveness in selling sugar-water with the branding attached; I'm talking about the branding's effectiveness at being remembered. A person wants to criticize some unrelated UI design and the very first thing that comes to their mind is “lol this reminds me of The Gravitational Pull of Pepsi!!”. It will live forever.

You're assuming the goal of the marketing is merely "to be remembered". But it's not. It's to be remembered in some positive way, or at least some way that still increases sales. This campaign will live forever as a laughing stock. That wasn't its intention.

Understood. But also “there’s no such thing as bad publicity.”

Scare quotes because obviously there is, but I don’t think this example crosses the line.

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Post by hellonoko »

jamalaramala wrote: post #191

Oh my god, this is ugly as fuck. It reminds me a study about the perception of beauty among students of arts. Before they start their studies, their perception of beauty is similar to everyone's. But as they go through their course, their perception starts to shift. What they see as "beautiful" doesn't match the perception of others. They learn what "skeuomorphism" is, and suddenly everything must be flat and undiffe…

> It reminds me a study about the perception of beauty among students of arts.

Do you know which particular study this was? I would like to read it.

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Post by mkl »

hexomancer wrote: post #116
arewethereyeta wrote: post #92

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Who would be qualified enough to talk with you about new design trends then?those that design on your taste? Rarely, if ever, new design trends are liked by everyone. All in all, I think they are qualified enough.

Here are some objective issues with this page that I don't think is really up to taste (honestly these are so obvious that I assume you viewed the website on mobile which is fair, I never used the mobile version. Because I don't think anyone in good conscience would argue with the terribleness of the desktop version of the website). Note that I will not include many taste-based issues with the website (like the god-a…

> honestly these are so obvious that I assume you viewed the website on mobile

The page is terrible UX on mobile too. After the random switch from dark mode to light mode I tapped what looked like a dark mode button and got a full screen about page with no close or back button, so I pressed my phone's back button but ended up back on HN. It turns out to navigate back out of the unexpected about screen you have to press what looks like a forward button (I think they're trying to indicate that it goes away to the right, but the thing is full screen like a full page navigation so that doesn't make sense).

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Post by zamadatix »

fn-mote wrote: post #517
jonahx wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming the goal of the marketing is merely "to be remembered". But it's not. It's to be remembered in some positive way, or at least some way that still increases sales. This campaign will live forever as a laughing stock. That wasn't its intention.

Understood. But also “there’s no such thing as bad publicity.” Scare quotes because obviously there is, but I don’t think this example crosses the line.

Even if one takes it as being on that side of the fence, which I'm not sure I actually buy myself, I'm also still not convinced getting some a niche of folks aware of marketing and brand design documents to have such an association form would deserved to be called wildly successful. Usually you want a significant portion of the population to have a common association with a brand as large as Pepsi, not a small portion to have a rare association.
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