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Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by DrScientist »

generalizations wrote: post #476
alternatex wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

It was weird to actually read I, Robot and discover that the entire book is a collection of short stories about those laws going wrong. Far as I know, Asimov never actually told a story where those laws were a good thing.

And obviously all these stories have already been fed into the machine.... :-)

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by redfern314 »

fusslo wrote: post #239

I'm a firmware engineer that's been working in consumer electronics and I feel very bleak about my future I feel so left behind. I have extremely limited robotics and computer vision experience. I have no ML experience. The only math I know has to do with basic signal processing. When I see open roles at these companies I think the projects I'm going to work on in the future will be more and more irrelevant to societ…

Also a firmware engineer. I see 4 career paths under the advent of AI:

1. If you can't beat em, join em - get a masters in ML or something and work at a higher level of the stack. I know several folks who have pivoted this way and are happy.

2. Double down - there will always be layers below the AI (drivers, silicon, etc). Sure, ChatGPT will continue chipping away at how much coding we do day to day, but at the end of the day, good luck to an AI trying to debug I2C bus clock stretching issues IRL. And you can bet that these robotic actuators have plenty of hardware issues to debug.

3. Pick an area of tech which is relatively immune (medical/automotive/aerospace) due to regulatory and other barriers to AI entry. You don't necessarily need robotics/CV experience to do this.

4. GTFO (I say this with no judgment) - and work in a different industry which is less likely to be automated. It would not be the most lucrative option but is certainly an option.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by yencabulator »

flutas wrote: post #284
yorwba wrote: post #16

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Here it looks like its squeezing a grape instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyQs2OAIf-I&t=43s Bit hard to tell whether it remained intact.

The leaf on the darker grapes looks like a fabric leaf, I'd kinda bet they're all fake for these demos / testing. Don't need the robot to smash a grape when we can use a fake grape that won't smash.

The bananas are clearly plastic and make a "doink" nose when dropped into the bowl.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Beijinger wrote: post #475
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #418

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Chinese tech ETFs haven’t done very well, basically as anemic as emerging market funds are now (which are heavy into Chinese tech companies anyways). You aren’t making money with these right now, which might mean they are undervalued, but they seem to go boom the bust too quickly to be long term holds.

Well, they are of performing well, this means they might be bad or they might be undervalued. It was asked, what is undervalued? Not what did perform well (and might be overvalued). Bust is unlikely with an ETF. They rebalance without you having to do anything. Most tech might come from China in the future.

They aren't really performing well. Take this one:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CQQQ/

It is at the same price it was at in 2019. You can't rebalance them because the techs all boom and bust together, there isn't any point. Still, if you think Chinese techs are going to take off big soon, now is a great time to get in (or at least as an emerging market hedge).

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Post by AtomBalm »

GolfPopper wrote: post #381

Does no one remember the last Google Gemini super-impressive demo that blew everyone away was faked? https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/07/googles-best-gemini-demo-w...

Don’t Be Evil

… but don’t disappoint shareholders…

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Post by moralestapia »

Ukv wrote: post #470
moralestapia wrote: post #221

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> But I did specify "start of 2022". Your initial comment didn't: > > GOOG is around the same price as it was in 2022 That's the comment pb7 replied to by saying it's up 90% since 2022 (which is true, or even an underestimate, depending on where you measure from) and to which you responded calling them a bot because your own measurement, from the start of the year, gives a lower number. cvhc is pointing out that it's…

Yeah, whatever.

I replied to @cvhc.

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Post by amarant »

generalizations wrote: post #476
alternatex wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

It was weird to actually read I, Robot and discover that the entire book is a collection of short stories about those laws going wrong. Far as I know, Asimov never actually told a story where those laws were a good thing.

The Foundation series is arguably that, but you only find out in book 14 or so.

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Post by advisedwang »

BWStearns wrote: post #492
decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

It was a big miss calling them "prompt engineers" and not robopsychologists.

Everyone wants engineer in their title, it adds at least $150k/year

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by yreg »

alternatex wrote: post #434
decimalenough wrote: post #380

I always thought that Asimov's Laws of Robotics ("A robot may not injure a human being" etc) were an interesting prop for science fiction, but wildly disconnected from the way computing & robotics actually work. Turns out he was just writing LLM prompts way ahead of his time.

Not only wildly disconnected, but purposefully created to show ambiguity of rules when interpreted by beings without empathy. All of Asimov's books that include the laws also include them being unintentionally broken through some edge-case.

Well it's quite difficult to come up with much better rules than Asimov's.

HPMOR offers a solution called 'coherent extrapolated volition' – ordering the super intelligent machine to not obey the stated rules to the letter, but to act in the spirit of the rules instead. Figure out what the authors of the rules would have wished for, even though they failed to put it in writing.

We are debating scifi, of course.

Re: Gemini Robotics

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Post by masterj »

mclau156 wrote: post #505
appleorchard46 wrote: post #375

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Yeah, maybe someone with more industry knowledge can give a better picture, but I have a hard time seeing how these robots would fit into and improve existing processes [0]. Garbage is mechanically sorted most of the way already; then IR is used to identify different plastics and air blasts are used to separate them out at dozens per second. The Gemini robot tech is cool as heck, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't se…

I dont see why a Gemini robot couldn't grab 20 dark clothing items from a hamper, put them in the laundry machine, wait an hour, take them out and put them in the dryer while I was at work (thanks return to office)

Modern heatpump-based combo washer-dryers have come a long way and are great for this use-case: https://www.geappliances.com/ge/connected-appliances/ultrafa...
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