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Posts here talk about the legality of this, that what they are doing is not allowed, or that they're doing something naively without understanding. But what is the goal? Maybe what goal to they think they're pursuing? This is hacker news, so I'm asking for an answer without political rhetoric.

The goal is to dismantle as much of the government as possible. Where possible, they can replace the existing people with their own people, then steer government contracts to themselves.

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Are such drastic action appropriate given the current state of the US? The US probably hasn't been this economically dominant since after WWII. Feels like Chesterton fences are getting torn up left and right by people too young and incurious to possibly understand why those fences might be there.

Never appropriate. The actions are entirely unconstitutional. If the US decided to disband USAID it would have to be an act of congress, unelected friends of the president don’t come close to being able to make that call.

Your comment assumes that the constitution and democracy still stand- which does not appear to me to be the case. Hopefully I’m wrong.

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Curious european here. Do you think we will see some serious mass protests in big USA cities if this continues? By this I mean "reckless" action by Musk and Trump.

Maybe. The first test will be on February, 5, when there are scheduled protests in all state capitols. There's also https://generalstrikeus.com .

I'm a pessimist sometimes so I can't imagine any real uprising coming out of this. At the end of the day, people in the US have to pay the bills, people live beyond their means whether they know it or not, no one can afford to sacrifice any of their time to a real revolution save for a small minority.

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I found Bukele's comments to be eye opening, https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1886059275174506850

> Most governments don’t want USAID funds flowing into their countries because they understand where much of that money actually ends up.

> While marketed as support for development, democracy, and human rights, the majority of these funds are funneled into opposition groups, NGOs with political agendas, and destabilizing movements.

> At best, maybe 10% of the money reaches real projects that help people in need (there are such cases), but the rest is used to fuel dissent, finance protests, and undermine administrations that refuse to align with the globalist agenda.

> Cutting this so-called aid isn’t just beneficial for the United States; it’s also a big win for the rest of the world.

Their funding has been hard for Congress to vet, and it seems like they do some shady things. Kudos to Elon and his team for cutting us more than $1b/day so far!

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If DOGE wants to be effective it really should be going after the big ticket items like medicare or defense, some estimates have medicare at 40% fraud and waste and the DoD can't even pass an audit so no one really knows what %. And that is just getting what we've paid for, not even evaluating if what we've paid for is effective. Of course to do that would require actual coalition building, hard choices that upset vo…

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They haven't had time to do any form of investigation. If they have evidence, it's some existing report from the government already looking into it.

But remember he's saying he wants to shut everything down. He's not planning to look into it, because he just wants to stop all payments of any kind.

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Average age of engineers and scientists in the Manhattan Project was 25. Our current gerontocracy is ahistorical. Perhaps one reason startups work so well is they are one of the few places that still let young people exert agency. The average age of NASA’s mission control team during the Apollo era was 27— they put humans on the moon. Young people bring a force of curiosity and creativity that can disrupt the status…

Source? and what's the median? Also, that was during WW2 which would likely skew those #s (though I would actually expect to much older, as in not most-fit-military age)

Richard Rhodes' introduction to Serber's "The Los Alamos Primer" suggests 24:

> Despite this leavening of older men (Oppenheimer was thirty-eight), the group's average age was only twenty-four.

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If DOGE wants to be effective it really should be going after the big ticket items like medicare or defense, some estimates have medicare at 40% fraud and waste and the DoD can't even pass an audit so no one really knows what %. And that is just getting what we've paid for, not even evaluating if what we've paid for is effective. Of course to do that would require actual coalition building, hard choices that upset vo…

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I also heard tell about underpants gnomes that steal your underpants at night. A lot of people are saying it. Could be anywhere from 1 million to 10 million pairs per year, nobody knows, but we're looking into it.
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