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Post by niklasrde »

lukeck wrote: post #407
ricw wrote: post #402

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Rather than releasing a stand alone camera, I’d expect the vision pro headset to act as one too. In other words I’d expect it to be able to take spatial pictures whilst not being worn. Less creepy, and more like taking a picture with your camera / phone.

Or make an iPhone that can take spatial pictures.

This is just plain obvious. Not sure it'll be part of the '23 lineup; WWDC does not showcase new iPhone hardware features, but they have the hardware ready and miniaturised enough for the headset; if it doesn't make it's way to the Pro iPhones by '24 at the latest I'd be very surprised.

The sports clips and experiences are also not captured by people with headsets standing on the sideline; I'm not sure why a lot of commenters see this as the bleak new future?

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Post by niklasrde »

layer8 wrote: post #488
danielbln wrote: post #348

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Apple's goal is surely to get away from the google form factor asap, and once we're at a pair of slick glasses I don't think you'd even think twice about it.

That’s the fantasy vision, but I don’t see how it would be achievable within the next 15-20 years given the current technological outlook and considering the energy requirements and the necessary optical workings. It will require major technical breakthroughs that aren’t remotely on the horizon.

That's what people said even after the original iPhone was announced. I think there's a famous interview with the RIM boss who basically said "energy requirements make this design impossible" in 2007, and yet, it actually came out and worked a few months later.

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Post by OJFord »

aziaziazi wrote: post #458
matwood wrote: post #454

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> You can still just look up and be present. AV is slightly different b/c it's trying to let people still be present. Is it enough and will it work still remains to be seen.

Isn’t AR comparable to a headset the same way VR is to noise-cancelled headsets ?

GP said 'AV' (not 'AR') for 'Apple Vision' I assume - which 'tries to allow people to be present' through the 'EyeSight' feature (where it reveals the wearer's eyes, becomes translucent).

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Post by lolinder »

Gigachad wrote: post #216
lolinder wrote: post #183

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> A game, any game. By far the most disappointing part of the keynote was when they finally do show someone playing a game, and it's a basketball game played with a regular controller on a flat, virtual TV. The TV is even smaller than an average real-world TV. It's typical of Apple to so completely ignore gaming, but it's disappointing that they're continuing that trend even with VR.

Realistically, that's probably the best we are getting for a while. VR gaming has had a difficult time. The physical space requirements are immense and the gameplay types have been limited. A lot of value could be had playing flat screen games this way. Imagine sitting on a plane with a controller in your lap, but it feels like you are sitting in a private loungeroom or some zen environment playing a game on a large…

I didn't expect them to show a first-person shooter, but there are so many possibilities for casual games that actual utilize VR/AR in some meaningful way.

The fact that what they came up with was "game in a rectangle, but this time floating in the air" makes me think that either there are major limitations to what the AR platform is capable of or that they're intentionally trying to tell people "gaming isn't a priority here".

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Post by freedrock87 »

jstanley wrote: post #494
jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

You're taking a backwards-looking view of this. Imagine if ancient man, living in the woods, saw people of today living in cities. "It feels very uncomfortable seeing all of these people isolating themselves inside buildings". In fact the very opposite is the case. Now, we go into nature to isolate ourselves. In the future, going into virtual reality will be where you go to interact with others, and you'll take the g…

Your proving his point of the dystopia

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Post by aziaziazi »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #510
aziaziazi wrote: post #440

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You should understand the guilt is on the recipient side (you). Here the sender (Apple) may have genuine concern about their users health or have marketing incentives to express the same concern. Probably a mix of both.

Regardless of whether they are doing it out of genuine concern or to cover their own asses, they aren't reporting my usage or lack of activity so that I can not do something about it. If they wanted me addicted, they would do something else.

That is exactly my understanding too. Though I think « inform » is more appropriate than « guilt trip »: my first understanding of your comment was « Apple wants to makes me feel guilt when using their products ».

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Post by flir »

chasd00 wrote: post #446
tromp wrote: post #424

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I wonder if anyone will feel brave enough to wear this on a bike... Until the time they're arrested for using a smartphone while biking, or for relying on the computer not to malfunction just to avoid riding blind.

Or driving. It would interesting to have directions overlaid on the view of the road. The exit I need to take could be outlined and highlighted for example.

I think that's both inevitable and terrifying.

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Post by bitcoin_anon »

jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

My wife an I use Airpods in the home when we're doing chores, and I'm already starting to feel uncomfortable about that. I feel annoyed when I'm interrupted from a podcast by a family member, and I'm sure they feel it. Perhaps that will lead them to talk with me less in the future.

The technology is siphoning attention from the home. Humans are highly visual creatures. The impact of this product will probably be greater.

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Post by sudhirj »

personlurking wrote: post #479
sudhirj wrote: post #428

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This whole thing would have been much better if they’d positioned it as a work and personal entertainment machine, similar to a bunch of monitors with a Mac mini, and replacing iPads or single-viewer TVs. By trying to show interactions with other people, it’s just highlights a weird isolation - what it’s not pointing it out is that the advantage for people like me who work in a private home office where I’m already i…

> similar to a bunch of monitors with a Mac mini, and replacing iPads or single-viewer TVs. Except the Vision Pro maps your home, visually and acoustically. I suppose it's acceptable if one already has a Roomba and an Alexa.

From a privacy point of view? Yeah, I’m ok with that if it stays on device, as is usually the case with Apple. The iPads and phones have lidars as well, no? And I’m going to be napping my home to plan renovations etc. Much rather have everything on device.

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Post by kristianc »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #346
kristianc wrote: post #317

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If the strategy is fully about content (which would make this device about selling services on top of the Vision Pro), why is the Vision Pro specced as it is, and why is the price point so high? The specification of the device seems to be complete overkill for the kind of strategy you are describing, which frankly does not need extreme hardware power, and makes it cost prohibitive to many of the people who would othe…

It's specced the way it is to deliver the best in class, best possible content experience without compromises in initially small volumes. Neither of those things is an accident. Scaling up manufacturing is hard and expensive. Much easier to create a lot of hype for an expensive device that is going to be so popular that they won't be able to satisfy demand. So, they'll make lots of them and sell out in no time. The e…

It’s a fair point but 1/ Apple for the most part didn’t start it’s product journey for any of the other products you’ve mentioned with the ‘Pro’ version - its strategy has generally been to get people to fall in love with the regular version and convince them they want more of it, doubly true when they’re introducing a new category product and 2/ It’s strange because I own many of those fully specced out things you mention, and this leaves me utterly cold. Fwiw, I also own a Kindle.
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