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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tracker1 »

nordsieck wrote: post #497
porker wrote: post #408

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> Rebuild of ms office for the web: owning users given gsuite was seriously taking over office use And Google let them win by coasting on GSuite. I use it for my business, my partner uses Office 365 for hers. In 2023 Office 365 is by far the better choice.

> And Google let them win by coasting on GSuite. I use it for my business, my partner uses Office 365 for hers. In 2023 Office 365 is by far the better choice. If you don't mind me asking: what is better about o365? I know that Excel is the jewel in the Office crown, but if you aren't leaning on that heavily, what's the big difference to you?

Can't speak for GP, but the o365 Word is better than Google Docs as well. And while you can view Visio in o365, would be nice if you could edit the diagrams. Odd, but Visio is still imo much better than alternatives in that space.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tracker1 »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #436
atlanta90210 wrote: post #330

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“DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run"

Speaking as a Lotus Notes survivor, it would have been really helpful if had prevented lotus notes from running on windows as well.

Lotus notes was like the ultimate in write-only software.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by bearjaws »

lbwtaylor wrote: post #507
bearjaws wrote: post #268

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The web experience of Word, Power Point and Excel, are appalling. Laggy, resource hogs. Excel & Power Point are damn near unusable on anything complicated.

>Excel [is] damn near unusable on anything complicated There are billion dollar financial decisions with the most sophisticated financial models being made (rightly or wrongly) using Excel. I'm sure you have had a bad experience, but saying excel can't handle complex things is not reality.

The web experience specifically.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by coffeeling »

nickjj wrote: post #171

Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…

> Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read.

It absolutely does let you do that. I use OWA as my daily driver and that is the behaviour at least on my end. Settings->Mail->Message Handling should have the options you want.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by pavon »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #402
username3 wrote: post #117

Is everyone misreading the article? The new policy is to ignore your default browser from Outlook and Teams and open Edge. There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser. > Microsoft 365 Enterprise IT admins will be able to alter the policy, but those on Microsoft 365 for business will have to manage this change on individual machines.

> There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser. First time playing this game? Here's how it works: 1) Change the default behavior, but have the old behavior be an option 2) ~Everybody switches to the new behavior 3) Telemetry says ~nobody uses the old behavior, so remove the option in order to "streamline the experience"

1b) Revert the setting every time there is a system update.

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Post by coffeeling »

ajmurmann wrote: post #366
bearjaws wrote: post #268

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The web experience of Word, Power Point and Excel, are appalling. Laggy, resource hogs. Excel & Power Point are damn near unusable on anything complicated.

And the group editing in those products...! Every time we've edited Excel sheets with more than one person it quickly restored in unresolvable merge conflicts and forked files. This has always worked beautifully in Google Sheets.

From what I've heard, the sync works well when everyone's using the same kind of client (eg. desktop, or web app). If they get mixed things become slowwe to update and have a decent chance to quickly go to hell.

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Post by jackmott42 »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Apple does plenty of dark patterns. You are locked into their store, they decide what programs you can run on your phone, they decide what browser you can use, all the other browsers are actually just skinned safari.

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Post by jackmott42 »

jsiepkes wrote: post #384
DownGoat wrote: post #309

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I think he means the newer versions of the stack, from the release of .NET Core 1 in 2016 and onward.

Ok, but even if it's about .NET Core; As far as I can tell the creation of .NET Core was a business decision and not because MS suddenly wanted to create a better product. More then 50% of the VM's in Azure run Linux and not Windows. On AWS and GCP the percentage VM's running non-Windows OS'es is probably even higher. That's a realistic threat to the continued existence of .NET if .NET only runs on Windows.

Everything every public company does is a business decision

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Post by lbwtaylor »

bearjaws wrote: post #513
lbwtaylor wrote: post #507

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>Excel [is] damn near unusable on anything complicated There are billion dollar financial decisions with the most sophisticated financial models being made (rightly or wrongly) using Excel. I'm sure you have had a bad experience, but saying excel can't handle complex things is not reality.

The web experience specifically.

Yes, that is very true, Google is web first/only and MS Office is web kind-of.
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