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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Mozilla should step into this space. Launch an alternative app store, cost-neutral or minor profit only, all apps privacy checked.

Better than the writing of preachy blogs that do nothing. The problem with current Mozilla is that they have no platform. They have no reach.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

#512

Mozilla should step into this space. Launch an alternative app store, cost-neutral or minor profit only, all apps privacy checked. Better than the writing of preachy blogs that do nothing. The problem with current Mozilla is that they have no platform. They have no reach.

I would totally pay for apps on a Mozilla store. This is a great idea.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

#513

Mozilla should step into this space. Launch an alternative app store, cost-neutral or minor profit only, all apps privacy checked. Better than the writing of preachy blogs that do nothing. The problem with current Mozilla is that they have no platform. They have no reach.

I would totally pay for apps on a Mozilla store. This is a great idea.

The only risk I see is their progressive views at times being a little too progressive, leading to "safetyism" and a too restrictive policy on what can go in the store and what cannot, or this somehow affecting which app get prime real estate, whilst others are burried.

Screw it, I might as well spit it out: it should not be a woke app store.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

#514

I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? All big players are still in the play store, because the average user of those services doesn't want to be bothered going to a website, clicking scary looking buttons to enable third party installs, then manually update their own installed apps. Basically the risk would be someone like TikTok dropping out of the store, but I find that unlikely. Maybe at t…

> looking at android, where do we see this?

Google doesn't prevent Meta or TikTok or any other apps from spying on you, as long as they also get to spy on you. So they have no incentive to build a competing store.

Apple, on the other hand, limits what apps are allowed to do.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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post #501

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- 27.71% worldwide is iOS. - 56% in the US. - 34% in Europe. - 18% in Asia. - 13% in South America. [2] That all in mind Apple has 85% of the global share of smartphone profits. [1] Many Android players have a negative profit share. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-gr... [2] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/

Those are numbers for smartphone sales, not the software on them. Hardware sales can be negative, sometimes even intended. Just look at console vendors for that.

That can't make the numbers look better, after all, Apple gets 30% of App Store sales, while Google takes the cut of Android apps sold through the Play store. And that gets even worse when you see Apple gets 67% of all app revenues too. [1]

[1] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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If you don't want to sideload, then don't. If companies don't want to be on the platform app store anymore, it's not the end of the world. I ran a windows phone for several years; if there's no app for something, there's usually a website, and Safari is loads more usable than mobile IE or mobile Edge; so you're fine for the most part. Yeah, you might lose out on playing FPS games on your phone, but is that really a l…

The net loss is to society when Meta pulls Instagram from the official store and says "to continue using Instagram, go to instagram.com in safari and follow the instructions".

I fail to see the net loss to society in this scenario.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- 27.71% worldwide is iOS. - 56% in the US. - 34% in Europe. - 18% in Asia. - 13% in South America. [2] That all in mind Apple has 85% of the global share of smartphone profits. [1] Many Android players have a negative profit share. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-gr... [2] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/

Those are numbers for smartphone sales, not the software on them. Hardware sales can be negative, sometimes even intended. Just look at console vendors for that.

Are you arguing that the average Android user spends more on apps than their phone is worth?

Anecdotally, most people I know might spend $20/year on App Store purchases (excluding streaming services if they don’t have a desktop computer).

I’ve made well over six figures for a few years and have never spent more than $100 in a year, the vast majority of those purchases for one off games/apps, not iap coins/tokens/etc.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to sideload, then don't. If companies don't want to be on the platform app store anymore, it's not the end of the world. I ran a windows phone for several years; if there's no app for something, there's usually a website, and Safari is loads more usable than mobile IE or mobile Edge; so you're fine for the most part. Yeah, you might lose out on playing FPS games on your phone, but is that really a l…

The net loss is to society when Meta pulls Instagram from the official store and says "to continue using Instagram, go to instagram.com in safari and follow the instructions".

I feel the HN crowd vastly overestimates both Meta's willingness to abandon the App Store and the average user's ability to "follow the instructions."

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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post #367

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As opposed to Apple being big enough that they can bully developers into both building for their platform and distributing through the channels they christen?

Yes. All hail the walled garden, didn’t know it’s what I wanted but it is. The PC is my playground, I want my phone to be rock solid and someone else to do the weeding there.

Don’t worry, you can bet Apple is going to make sideloading as awkward as possible within the bounds of the law. It’s not like Apple woke up one day and decided they don’t like money. It will only be useful for hobbyists.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

#520

I can't wait for my banking app to ask me to disable sideloading on iOS before I can actually use it. Such idiocy has been rampant on Android with banking apps refusing to launch when Developer Options are enabled. That aside, I am very happy with this development. I have personal apps that I'd like to sideload without paying for a developer account. I am also looking forward to a more lively open-source ecosystem ar…

You can side load your personal apps now.

...but you have to refresh them every seven days or they stop launching. A very annoying tether for a mobile device.

And you can install three personal apps at most.

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