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Look I always encourage people to read the Israeli constitution. Jewish state. Fact. Not multicultural, not secular. Jewish. That was the founders design.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm shocked as well, I just think that's not enough, you have to at least be able to justify why the two probabilities that I mentioned before are small, which in my opinion, is a hard thing to do.
I think most of us are so used to the principles of pluralism and minority rights, accepting it as an axiom, that it doesn't occur to argue that an ethnostate is desirable, necessary, and worth the cost to the displaced ethnicities. Doesn't occur is maybe the wrong word, it occurs as an alien and dangerous idea, like gazing into the maw of a tiger. Does it not feel dangerous to you, to even start weighing the needs o…
It does, I think Israel and its neighbours are in a very dangerous position.
Most comments here are attacking the decision, or just quoting the decision, and following it up by a "wtf". Just being shocked is not an argument. Jews are or have been persecuted in all middle eastern countries. What would happen if they were a minority in a democratic state in the Middle East? Why would it be different than in the other democracies in the Middle East? Laws like these lower the probability of Jews…
> Jews are or have been persecuted in all middle eastern countries. Jews have been prosecuted on many parts of the world and on different timelines of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews They have also found refugee in Muslim community from Christian prosecution multiple times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Musl... > Laws like these lower the probability of Jews becomi…
Got some really lovely apologia for Islamic imperialism in that page:
>Jews under Islamic rule were given the status of dhimmi, along with certain other pre-Islamic religious groups.[1] Though second-class citizens,
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There is no obligation for any state to issue citizenship to anyone, unfortunately.
There are UN conventions[1][2] on statelessness that do require the bound parties to provide citizenship under very narrow conditions, essentially to avoid a stateless person. IANAL so I don't know if they apply in this type of example. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Sta... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Reduction_of...
We see more and more similar laws being passed in recent years, laws that are blatantly discriminatory. This may raise the indignation of many people, but in my opinion, Israel is shooting itself in the foot by passing these laws, because it reinforces the argument that it is an apartheid regime. Israel is slowly losing its support in the free democratic world where people believe in the inalienable universal rights…
I think this law will only hurt the Israeli image abroad a little bit. The 3 recent human rights reports (calling Israel out for practicing apartheid) are much more damaging. This is really about the (internationally recognized) right of return of the Palestinians. To paraphrase Bill Clinton's advisor James Carville in 1992: "It's demographics, stupid". The 2003 law explicitly did not apply to residents of Jewish set…
So, 21% of Israel's population has restrictions on who they could marry all so that they can maintain a majority of the favored demographic. This is apartheid.
Israel is surrounded by Arab Muslims who outnumber Jews 100:1 and are overtly hostile to Judaism, as prescribed by their religion. I ask honestly, is it really so wrong for a nation to implement laws to preserve its culture, particularly when it's people constitute a tiny fraction of the global population? Or is support of cultural preservation only virtuous when the alternative is labeled "gentrification"?
So, 21% of Israel's population has restrictions on who they could marry all so that they can maintain a majority of the favored demographic. This is apartheid.
Right, because the purpose of Israel is to be a Jewish state with a majority Jewish population to protect its Jewish residents from genocides, pogroms, blood libels, and other things that have been done to them for 2 millennia.
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> Is the West planning to use it as a launchpad for a war of aggression in the region? Pretty sure this was the reason. It’s a tactical piece that they want to keep control over. Everyone else in the region hates them (and rightfully so).
Considering Israel does not, and never has allowed American forces to be stationed inside Israel, this seems pretty unlikely.
We see more and more similar laws being passed in recent years, laws that are blatantly discriminatory. This may raise the indignation of many people, but in my opinion, Israel is shooting itself in the foot by passing these laws, because it reinforces the argument that it is an apartheid regime. Israel is slowly losing its support in the free democratic world where people believe in the inalienable universal rights…
It's Israel, who's surprised.
> Israel is slowly losing its support in the free democratic world where people believe in the inalienable universal rights of individuals and are less and less willing to turn a blind eye to such institutionalized racism.
If using tanks against children throwing rocks or white phosphorus bombs over civilians didn't do it I doubt anything will. I'd recommend you to get in touch with a Palestinian and ask them about their life. Israel has been committing war crimes every now and then for decades, they're smarter than the Russians though, they do it bit by bit.
Talking about discrimination, don't read about their border control interrogations, if you have an arab sounding name, talked to a person with an arab sounding name or visited cities with a large arab population during your stay be ready to spend 4 hours in a small room with a few unpleasant people asking you about every single minutes of your trip.
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This doesn't make it immune from criticism. What if the United States added "Caucasian state" to the constitution and started discriminating against other ethnicities. Would that be okay for you?
A better example would be adding a non-Jew requirement to the US constitution. I find it interesting that a people who faced such deadly consequences from discrimination based on Jewishness choose to discriminate based on Jewishness as their response.
If they didn’t control for their population, they’d need to decide between not being a Jewish state and not being democratic.