Don’t get me wrong, parents and guidance counselors should be looking out for kids, but I agree, colleges are mostly to blame.
More than 1M fewer students are in college, the lowest numbers in 50 years
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> A substantially higher proportion of Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18. Is this true? I got a job as soon as I was legally allowed to and so did every one of my friends in high school. Where I'm from you were seen as kind of a loser if you didn't work over the summer, at least. I'd guess it was something like 90% of kids at my school worked at some point in high school. Edit: Here's…
Interesting. I'm also surprised by those numbers. I had a job in high school and so did most of my friends. Maybe not 90% of them, but I'm sure it was >60% of people I knew.
Here's something more detailed from BLS. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/article/teen-labor-force-p...
It suggests the difference is more teens in school. One can also imagine more focus on extracurriculars etc. within a certain demographic over a job flipping burgers.
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#513From the source [0]: Higher education enrollment fell a further 2.7 percent in the fall of 2021 following a 2.5 percent drop in the preceding fall. Continued enrollment losses in the pandemic represent a total two-year decline of 5.1 percent or 938,000 students since fall 2019.
In the linked PDF, they note they don't have complete data on international students. "In recent years, IPEDS enrollments in the nonresident alien category have accounted for nearly five percent of all IPEDS enrollments."
Fall 2017 Fall 2018 Fall 2019 Fall 2020 Fall 2021
All Sectors -1.0% -1.7% -1.3% -2.5% -2.7%
Public 2-year -1.7% -3.2% -1.4% -10.1% -3.4%
Public 4-year -0.2% 0.0% -1.2% 0.2% -3.0%
Private nonprofit 4-year -0.4% 2.4% -0.6% -0.1% -1.6%
Private for-profit 4-year -7.1% -15.1% -2.1% 5.3% -9.3%
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Not only that, but depending on which state you are in in Germany (and Austria) you get routed at around 4th grade. If the teachers decide that you are academically fit for it then you go on to the Gymnasium, which prepares you for college, often with some focus for your class (e.g.: mathematics, arts, or science). If those same teachers decide that you are not up to college, but are still smart enough for something…
It actually doesn't work that great in Germany. The college dropout rate is about 28% ( https://researchgate.net/publication/267340378_Student_Drop-... ). The Hauptschule and Realschule routes seem much better designed than the US, but in terms of predicting who is suitable for college Germany isn't doing a very good job.
28% is much lower than the ~37% failure rate to graduate in 6 years in US.
In somewhere like Iran you may see very high graduation rates in part because you may need to be selected as best student (a former employer I interviewed with, the owner got into college because he was best math student in a class of something like 1000 children.)
Dropout rate because of failure to adapt, of course, would be a good thing. Those who aren't fit for a career in engineering for instance were rapidly ejected into a different program from my public college I went to (like 25+% ejected first year, memory says it was more like 50%), which meant very few people wasted lots of money on a dead career path.
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> after all we want humanity to be advancing, right? I don't know how much our reams of communications, generic business and English majors are advancing humanity. (Granted, I studied finance [and engineering] in undergrad.)
Stephen King was an English major. Word art, literature, helps people advance cognitively. English is an unowned cultivated intellectual property that greases communication which greases all other human endeavors. I think its underappreciated. Not all education needs to advance the frontier, much of it is about maintaining what we've already claimed and passing it on to new generations.
What kind of argument is that. For every 10,000 English majors there is maybe 1 Stephen king or anything close to ti
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Im very skeptical of this post: 1. Many trades also pay like crap and have a very limited window in which you can do it. In addition many are not welcoming to women at all, regardless even if you take the highest paying trades, do they pay more than the highest paying careers that require higher education? 2. Which boot camp? How many people ended up like your daughter? How much was it? Without these facts no compari…
I'm not surprised at all - people with degrees try to find reasons to think they're better then the rest. 1. Many trades also are your own business, and can immediately scale for income - many plumbers, electricians, etc are millionaires with a small team of employees less than 15. 2. Google offers free marketing certification for this reason as well, it's not impossible for marketing/seo people to make 100k annually…
You're way off on 3. You're saying that tuition alone at a state school costs $45k per semester, which would be $90k per year. This site says that the average in-state public school is ~$25k all-in for a year. That includes tuition, room and board, books and transportation.
https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-c...
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#518Is it telling that there is no breakdown by gender? Men seem to have been abandoning education for a while now.
Yeah I feel the current education system is set up to support women more.
When gender doesn't exist then that breakdown no longer matters...
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#519This is nearly a strictly American problem. Much of the rest of the world has realized that society requires and is capable of supporting advanced education for all -- after all we want humanity to be advancing , right? America is still stuck in this alternate universe where it's a great privilege to have the opportunity to learn, which is of course true to some extent, but they really put it on a pedestal there. Com…
> after all we want humanity to be advancing, right? I don't know how much our reams of communications, generic business and English majors are advancing humanity. (Granted, I studied finance [and engineering] in undergrad.)
For those who work in adtech now, there's some hubris to be had. That industry was founded by people with those very degrees.
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> kids that had a job, any job before age 18 make 35% more than their peers over their lifetime Just as with claims about college, there is a huge selection bias in this observation. (A substantially higher proportion of youngish Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18.) Edit: Let’s be clear: there is obviously a huge selection bias when talking about college as well, which should not be ign…
> A substantially higher proportion of Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18. Is this true? I got a job as soon as I was legally allowed to and so did every one of my friends in high school. Where I'm from you were seen as kind of a loser if you didn't work over the summer, at least. I'd guess it was something like 90% of kids at my school worked at some point in high school. Edit: Here's…
Wonder what the cause is for the drop off from ~30% to under 20%?
Speculation but maybe boomer money allows their kids not to need to work as much as past.