FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine • Hacker News Board

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by andrew_ » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

albatross13 wrote: post #430

acdha wrote: post #6

I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”. I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

I'm already triple vaxxed (booster), but there are plenty of aspects to this that help drive people's fear: - Phase 3 trials for Pfizer not complete until May 2023: ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 ) - Control group(s) were given vaccines after 14 days: ( https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/9691430... ) - Pfizer generates 1.9bn in revenue off of 100m doses, just in the USA alone, cre…

Having to preface a comment with vaccination status is truly unfortunate.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

peakaboo wrote: post #489

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What type of responses did you get? I agree, engaging people is a good way to go. I don't know any anti-vaxxers personally, so I have to actively work to remind myself they might not all have the same reasons as the ones I know impersonally (who all happen to be full of misinfo, like Eric Clapton, et al.). There are no silver bullets that lead to peace and harmony, obviously, but a greater understanding of each other…

Hi nice you meet you. Im not going to take the covid vaccine so guess I'm an anti-vaxxer. I'm also an anti-smoker, anti-badfooder, and anti - crime kind of person. I've been living normally without lockdowns or masks for about 18 months now. So has the rest of my country Sweden. So excuse me if I'm not running around fearing for my life anymore. I'm pretty much convinced we all have natural antibodies by now.

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

thesis wrote: post #333

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The problem is that it’s not that simple because your choices significantly impact other people: I can’t choose whether or not to receive the viruses you spread, so I have an interest in you spreading far fewer of them. My 4 year old child can’t be vaccinated so he, along with many immune-compromised people or those with certain medical conditions, is dependent on other people getting vaccinated to sharply reduce spr…

Should the flu be mandatory as well? Flu & Covid have similar risks in children: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of...

There are a few vaccines I had to have for school when I was younger. What’s the difference?

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by CyberDildonics » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

jesusohchrist wrote: post #487

xyzzyz wrote: post #209

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Replacing “unvaccinated” with “obese” here gives an argument for forcing obese people on diet against their will.

Mandatory gym memberships and no sugar would end the pandemic probably faster Edit: Obesity source: 1. https://www.axios.com/bmi-obesity-severe-risk-factors-covid-... 2. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughl... BaSeLeSs BrO ScIeNcE

I'm sure the ravaged nursing homes and full hospitals wished they had found the wisdom of your baseless bro science earlier.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by dfxm12 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

chitowneats wrote: post #421

dfxm12 wrote: post #391

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What type of responses did you get? I agree, engaging people is a good way to go. I don't know any anti-vaxxers personally, so I have to actively work to remind myself they might not all have the same reasons as the ones I know impersonally (who all happen to be full of misinfo, like Eric Clapton, et al.). There are no silver bullets that lead to peace and harmony, obviously, but a greater understanding of each other…

I would have no problem with vaccine mandates if they were instead immunity mandates. Some people, like many in my family, spent a year and half exposing themselves to keep the electricity running, food packaged, delivered, fulfillment warehouses running, etc. Seems very strange that in the U.S. these people, most of whom are young (which means they are at lower risk from covid but higher risk from vax complications…

The goal is to stop the people from getting infected as much as possible, for a couple of reasons, mostly to stop mutations and also to make sure hospitals aren't over-loaded. It sounds like we're at least already on the same page with not wanting hospitals to be over-loaded. Getting a vaccine is much better at preventing reinfection than only having had COVID in the past, according to the CDC study quoted below (basically, those who had covid before and weren't vaccinate were over 2 times more likely to get re-infected than those with the vaccine!).

I'm sorry that people in your family are being treated like a threat. Can you elaborate on that? I also feel for those if there are issues at work, and I really think US should mandate paid leave to take the vaccine (at a minimum), but that's another discussion. :)

This report details the findings of a case-control evaluation of the association between vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in Kentucky during May–June 2021 among persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020. Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by learc83 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

hall0ween wrote: post #493

learc83 wrote: post #408

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There has never been a vaccine that was recalled because of side effects that didn't show up until over a year later.

Citation? It's a bold claim, without any evidence to back it up. HN is different than the comments section of a news site.

Look through a list of vaccine safety recalls. Here's a highlight of the big ones--this is the list that most vaccine hesitant people talk about when they discuss their issues with vaccine safety.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history....

None of the side effects in that list took more than a few weeks to occur, and the majority them happened within a few days.

>HN is different than the comments section of a news site.

Tell me again how hacker news isn't reddit O user of 3 months.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by thex10 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

thepasswordis wrote: post #415

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Well, for example, if you have an a suppressed auto-immune system from other medication, the vaccine is ineffective.

If you have a suppressed immune system from other medications, then other illnesses like the common cold and the flu can kill you. This is why people who take immunosuppressants typically avoid going out in public, and when they do they wear serious masks intended to protect them from others.

Immuno-compromised people aren't some isolated hobbit species, they're people like you and me that have jobs, run errands, learn in schools, consume food, often live with other humans who have to go out in public, etc. And new folks with sub-par immune systems are born or created every day.

Many vaccine-resistant folks will throw this population away from the entire risk analysis equation, treating them as a mere error term. At least, this has been my observation. In my opinion they should just admit they don't care about the fate of others beyond the 'thoughts and prayers' passive level.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by h_anna_h » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

ramesh31 wrote: post #501

CogitoCogito wrote: post #454

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It has emergency approval. The CDC decided the result of waiting for a full approval would likely cost more than allowing it early. Also to be fair it's not like they just rushed it out the door. There are probably very few things on the market (short of fully approved pharmaceuticals) that have been through more testing than these "rushed" vaccines. edit: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emerge.…

A great point. The same people decrying a vaccine that has been safely administered to nearly a billion people at this point and extensively studied will be the first ones to try all sorts of untested homeopathic and "alternative" nonsense.

Citation needed. This to me seems like an attempt to group various people who disagree with you and classify them as lunatics.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by pille » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #266

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This is also about what’s coming out of their bodies and going into others’.

Making it illegal to harm someone by transmitting a disease to them, and all of the logistical problems with proving it, makes more sense than mandating the covid vaccine.

How so? We already require vaccinations for other diseases and it’s clearly been effective against them.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by mlang23 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

yojo wrote: post #441

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I experience similar things. Frankly, I think the media has put so many weird labels on people who choose not to vaccinate that after the lockdowns, the vaxed people found a sort of sensation in talking to non-vaxed people. It felt like in a zoo. "So, you are not vaxed because you are afraid of the pain?" The actual reason for most, which is "I have decided to risk an infection to let my immune system do its job" is…

The part of this argument that feels shaky to me is it ignores externalities. If it were possible to risk an infection with no impact on others then yes, the conversation is over. But diseases don’t work like this. If you get sick, you will get others sick. If you get very sick, you will occupy a hospitable bed. Given current hospital utilization rates, this could well end in a sick person being turned away. Given th…

So following your argument, we would also need to outlaw every sort of risk-taking behaviour. Almost every sport except chess bears a risk comparable to what you say above. And most recreational activities also bear a risk that you might have an accident, which could put some stress on the people working at the hospital. Heck, the helicopter pilot could crash while they bring you to safety, so you implicitly killed them.

In fact, everything you do outisde of your workhours is your personal risk, so it needs to be banned I guess.

Sounds fine to me. I am blind and can not do most of the fancy recreational activities you sighted people are so fond of. So why should I care. In fact, I should immediately start a petition that makes your lifes more dull and miserable. But guess what, no. Thats not my thing. I am not an asshole.